The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

No. A cherry-picked source on page 93 from the year 1871, isolated from all scholarly agreement, is not a valid source.

You are completely overlooking the phrase: "LATER FORM FOR apostasis"
(at the LINK I provided, in previous post)



[why do people do this?? I can only guess why!!]






No, it does not.



IGNORE "apostasis" if you wish, though!!

then when they check your source it doesn't match what you're saying.

BTW......those verses in no way CHANGE the identity of the Gentiles TO BECOME ethnic Jacob. Not even a little bit. The Church is one body, there is neither Jew nor Greek.

Also take note the only time the name Jacob is used in this chapter is in Rom 11:26. AFTER THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES of Rom 11:25.....which marks the end of the Church age. Rom 11:26 of course pertaining to the prophecies of the deliverance of ETHNIC Israel which ONLY comes during of the 70th week of Daniel.

WHAT PART OF ETHNIC JACOB MEANS ANYTHING? THERE ARE NO JEWS OR GENTILES IN CHRIST. How does the blindness coming off the part of Israel signal the end of the church age? As soon as the blindness comes off all the teachers leave? Or are they 'punished' because they were blinded so the gentiles could be grafted in?

2 Corinthians 8:1 Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;
2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

GREAT TRIALS have taken place before with no 'rapture' can you explain that? How exactly is that JUST?


IF IT DOES WHO ARE THE ALIVE AND REMAINING? IT CAN'T BE PEOPLE WHO COME TO FAITH DURING THE TRIBULATION BECAUSE THERE HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE MORE THAN 'A SIGN' IF THE CHURCH IS RAPTURED. THEY HAVE SEEN THE BIGGEST MIRACLE EVER PERFORMED. THE SEA PARTING WOULD BE NOTHING COMPARED TO THAT. SO THERE COULD BE NO COMING TO FAITH. SO WHO ARE THE ALIVE AND REMAINING IF NOT THE CHURCH. WHY WOULD CHRIST COME GET THE CHURCH 'UNSEEN' BUT KNOWN? HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN IF HIS BRIGHTNESS DESTROYS SATAN WHEN HE COMES? HOW WILL HE HIDE THAT? HOW DOES HE LEAVE THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD BEFORE ALL THE ENEMIES ARE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL?

HOW DO THE TWO WITNESSES PLAY INTO ALL THIS? GOD TAKES AWAY ALL HELP AND SENDS THEM IN TO WORK THE WHOLE WORLD? THAT IS ALL THE HOPE THERE IS?

HOW IS IT IS KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE DEAD AND RAISED GET TO HEAVEN LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND BUT STILL CAN'T SEE HOW THE CHURCH DOES? WHY CAN NO ONE PUT IT IN ORDER USEING ONLY GODS WORDS WHEN THEY SAY THAT IS TRUTH AND I CAN PUT IT IN ORDER USING ONLY HIS WORDS AND THAT ISN'T TRUTH?

IF ALL THE ALIVE AND REMAINING ARE GATHERED THE FIRST TIME WHO IS ALIVE AND REMAINING FOR ANY OTHER TIME?

2 Corinthians 11:22 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.

24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.

25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;

26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.

29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?

30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.

Are these things Paul went through GODS WRATH?





THE CHURCH doesn't have an 'age' in which it ends. It is gathered to Christ when He returns. He returns after the workings of Satan.


THE CHURCH is the seed of Abraham. The seed of Abraham is Isaac and Jacob. The church is Jacob.

You can quote up one side and down the other, but you can't change that fact. THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN. It doesn't matter if JACOB WAS NEVER USED IN THE CHAPTER. Salvation was opened up to the gentiles to be GRAFTED INTO WHAT ALREADY EXISTED SO THEY COULD BECOME PARTAKERS OF THE PROMISE.

IF THEY DON'T BECOME THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, THEY REMAIN GENTILES.

GENTILES ARE NOT SAVED. GENTILES HAVE NO PROMISES. GENTILES DON'T HAVE FAITH. GENTILES DON'T HAVE CHRIST.

THERE IS ONLY THE ONE WAY.

[L&S (1871), entry] "apostasia - LATER FORM FOR apostasis"




... that certainly matches what I said... coz that's exactly what I showed in my posts.






This is saying they are THE SAME WORD (one being a "LATER FORM FOR" the other!), which is exactly what "Winer" is ALSO saying (ON his PAGES #24-25)

WHAT PART OF ETHNIC JACOB MEANS ANYTHING? THERE ARE NO JEWS OR GENTILES IN CHRIST. How does the blindness coming off the part of Israel signal the end of the church age? As soon as the blindness comes off all the teachers leave? Or are they 'punished' because they were blinded so the gentiles could be grafted in?

2 Corinthians 8:1 Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;
2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

GREAT TRIALS have taken place before with no 'rapture' can you explain that? How exactly is that JUST?


IF IT DOES WHO ARE THE ALIVE AND REMAINING? IT CAN'T BE PEOPLE WHO COME TO FAITH DURING THE TRIBULATION BECAUSE THERE HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE MORE THAN 'A SIGN' IF THE CHURCH IS RAPTURED. THEY HAVE SEEN THE BIGGEST MIRACLE EVER PERFORMED. THE SEA PARTING WOULD BE NOTHING COMPARED TO THAT. SO THERE COULD BE NO COMING TO FAITH. SO WHO ARE THE ALIVE AND REMAINING IF NOT THE CHURCH. WHY WOULD CHRIST COME GET THE CHURCH 'UNSEEN' BUT KNOWN? HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN IF HIS BRIGHTNESS DESTROYS SATAN WHEN HE COMES? HOW WILL HE HIDE THAT? HOW DOES HE LEAVE THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD BEFORE ALL THE ENEMIES ARE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL?

HOW DO THE TWO WITNESSES PLAY INTO ALL THIS? GOD TAKES AWAY ALL HELP AND SENDS THEM IN TO WORK THE WHOLE WORLD? THAT IS ALL THE HOPE THERE IS?

HOW IS IT IS KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE DEAD AND RAISED GET TO HEAVEN LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND BUT STILL CAN'T SEE HOW THE CHURCH DOES? WHY CAN NO ONE PUT IT IN ORDER USEING ONLY GODS WORDS WHEN THEY SAY THAT IS TRUTH AND I CAN PUT IT IN ORDER USING ONLY HIS WORDS AND THAT ISN'T TRUTH?

IF ALL THE ALIVE AND REMAINING ARE GATHERED THE FIRST TIME WHO IS ALIVE AND REMAINING FOR ANY OTHER TIME?

2 Corinthians 11:22 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.

24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.

25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;

26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.

29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?

30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.

Are these things Paul went through GODS WRATH?





THE CHURCH doesn't have an 'age' in which it ends. It is gathered to Christ when He returns. He returns after the workings of Satan.


THE CHURCH is the seed of Abraham. The seed of Abraham is Isaac and Jacob. The church is Jacob.

You can quote up one side and down the other, but you can't change that fact. THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN. It doesn't matter if JACOB WAS NEVER USED IN THE CHAPTER. Salvation was opened up to the gentiles to be GRAFTED INTO WHAT ALREADY EXISTED SO THEY COULD BECOME PARTAKERS OF THE PROMISE.

IF THEY DON'T BECOME THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, THEY REMAIN GENTILES.

GENTILES ARE NOT SAVED. GENTILES HAVE NO PROMISES. GENTILES DON'T HAVE FAITH. GENTILES DON'T HAVE CHRIST.

THERE IS ONLY THE ONE WAY.

Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

who was taken to heaven this time?

You're wrong and I do mean that sincerely and professionally. That isn't my opinion either, it's just that all sources disagree with what you're saying. I can't find anything at all that confirms what you're saying, even your own source seems to betray you.

You said look 12 down from the top so I did that and found that it matches the widely-accepted definition of apostasia that nearly all Greek scholars, well-known commentators, lexicons, concordances, and Bible versions/translations agree with. And you're trying to convince me everything is wrong and you're the one who is right?
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It plainly states ^ (RIGHT THERE ^ in your "picture"/link) "LATER FORM FOR apostasis"

It plainly states ^ (RIGHT THERE ^ in your "picture"/link) "LATER FORM FOR apostasis"

G647 - apostasion -

certificate of divorce
Neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of aphistemi; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce -- (writing of) divorcement.

-- https://biblehub.com/greek/647.htm


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[which is ALSO a "DEPARTURE" (and in the case of "apostasia / apostasis"...context determining "WHAT KIND" of "DEPARTURE")]

And under THAYER'S LEXICON (at BibleHub), he quotes one saying:

"The earlier Greeks say ἀπόστασις [/apostasis]; see Lob. ad Phryn., p. 528; (Winer's Grammar, 24)."

-- https://biblehub.com/greek/646.htm [scroll down to "Thayer's Lexicon" under this G646 word we're discussing]






(same thing that L&S's lexicon is saying [1871] in the "picture"/link you put)

The word "TO FORSAKE" (as shown in your quote above) is a VERB.

We're looking at A NOUN (both in Acts 21:21 and in 2Th2:3);



...so a better translation ^ would be "[that you teach...] A DEPARTURE [NOUN] FROM MOSES" (where the ADDED WORDS "FROM MOSES" tells us "WHAT KIND" of "DEPARTURE" is meant; and in any given context where this word is used, CONTEXT determines "WHAT KIND" of DEPARTURE is meant... It's not the same "kind" in evey case. I spelled some of those out in a previous post.)

Just read it and come to your own conclusion.
You are not at all interested in what it says outside of postrib rapture viewpoint...( even though i can show you more than one "coming")
And the fact there are NO VERSES POINTING TO a postrib rapture.