Who Justifieth the Ungodly

John 6:28
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Col 2:13 and Justification !

Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

This scripture speaks to Justification before faith or believing ! All for whom Christ died, dying for their sins /offences that had been charged unto Him, Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

The word trespasses and offences are the same word from the original paraptōma:

I.
to fall beside or near something

II.
a lapse or deviation from truth and uprightness
A.
a sin, misdeed

So to be included is the original trespass in Adam, as Man in him was made upright Ecc 7:29

29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man['adam ] upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

That it includes Adam's sin also is seen here Rom 5:15

But not as the offence [by adam], so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

And so He died as their Surety and Representative, and when He arose, He rose as the same, as their Surety and Representative, so much so that its said / written that they arose with Him, or they were quickened together with Him ! Peter wrote of His resurrection 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Its a quickening, and the same word is used in Col 2:13 just with the prep syn which means " with"

So when He was quickened from the dead as our Surety Head, those He represented were quickened together from the dead with Him , and so in Rom 4:25 it is stated clearly that He was quicken / raised for /because of their Justification !

Now the word Justification, the greek word dikaiōsis means:

I.
the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

II.
abjuring to be righteous, justification

Which is an equivalent to forgiven Col 2:13 ! Rom 4:25 can say as well this:

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again because we have been forgiven of those offences !

So Christ's being risen from the dead is an evidence and proof positive of that, and the death that was due to our sins Rom 6:23, has been put away, abolished, and so constituting the forgiveness of our sins; so the resurrection of Christ is evidence that all for whom He died are forgiven/ Justified before they believe ! To deny this is to deny the very evidence of the resurrection, which is unbelief ! No one can be a believer and deny the resurrection and what it evidences as the accomplishment of Christ's death !

I have no problem with John 6:28-29, but if you condition salvation or any part of it on your believing, or anything you do, you promote a man centered works salvation which is condemned in scripture.

You still condition Justification on man, what you do. For instance, do you believe everyone Christ died for is Justified ? Yes or No

You have shown me how you mangle Gods word to promote your error.

You can quote scripture until dooms day, non of them support the false gospel notion that Christ died for everyone without exception.

Paul was a man. The gospel he preached was simple: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Acts 16:31

What is condemned IN Scripture is YOUR opinion.

The gospel of John used the word "believe" 100 times in relation to being saved.

Again, no scripture ever stated that Faith/believing is required to be Justified, that's a false notion imposes by carnal men who promote salvation/justification by their works.

Everything required for a sinner to be Justified Christ provided in His Work, His Blood. Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

And Justification is without any requirements proposed to man, because its also by Grace Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Freely can be understood to mean without requirements or conditions ! Now you teach the very opposite !

Yes its addressed, those sinners Christ died for are Justified by His Blood and saved from His Wrath !

Again,Those who teach that they are Justified before God, based on their act of faith, obedience or some kind of condition performed, they are in essence claiming more responsibility for their Justification than God had, for according to their reasoning, all that God did through Christ still left them in a unjustified state, but what they did in performing the condition and as an supplement, is what actually Justified them before God ! May I add, they are also teaching Justification by meritorious works, or virtue God sees in them !

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Then you not speaking about anyone Christ died for and Justified. This thread is designed to prove that Christ died for and justified the ungodly.

So, are you saying that God will accept the rejection or disbelief of man or angel, but ones belief has no effect on God’s ultimate decision?

Also, you seem to reject the verse that states, “Without faith, it is impossible to please God.”

Wrong. Romans 5:1 is very clear. Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we[a] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Gal 2:16 - yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

These 2 verses say in PLAIN LANGUAGE that we are justified on the basis of faith, the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you keep claiming.

Your opinions are NOT biblical.

Justification by faith is the exact opposite to justification by works.

First, Rom 5:1 PLAINLY says that we are justified by faith. So faith in what? Faith IN His blood, or death on the cross. So 5:9 simply clarified exactly what our FAITH must be IN for justification.

Justification by faith is by GRACE.

You opinion is unbiblical. The Bible says that Christ died for the ungodly. Your opinion makes that to mean ONLY "the elect".

So, if your opinion were true, then all the "non-elect" cannot be "the ungodly", and your opinion results in universalism.

God justified the ungodly. An ungodly person isnt a person with Faith that pleases God. Furthermore its error to even bring up anything about man causing God to make a decision, what can a filthy God hating sinner do that can possibly cause God to Justify them. If you bring up anything, then you obviously put that thing above Christs Blood.

Since "the ungodly" means the whole human race, Paul was clear to say that justification is by faith in Romans 5:1.

So God justifies the ungodly who have faith in Christ.

context, context, context

Read the verse in context ... including the verses just before the verse you quoted:

Colossians 2:

6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.


In vs 6, the word "received" is translated from the Greek word paralambanó :



vs 6 – the Colossian believers had been taught the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ ... faithful ministers had come alongside them (Greek pará) and the Colossian believers had received by aggressively taking hold, showing strong personal initiative (Greek lambánō) the gospel of Christ taught by faithful ministers.


Next Paul gave warning to the Colossian believers:

Colossians 2:

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses


Clearly your statement that vs 13 "speaks to Justification before faith or believing" is your erroneous dogma of which we are warned in Col 2:8 we must beware.
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You claiming what I do is just more of your erroneous dogma speaking.

Colossians 2:

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
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Nope. Shining the light of Scripture on your erroneous dogma is not mangling "Gods word".
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