Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

The implication is that those who DO add to their faith the list that Peter gave, will receive an ABUNDANT ENTRANCE into the kingdom.

Do you understand the difference between just an entrance vs an abundant entrance? Or not?

iow, those who do add the list to faith will be rewarded by an abundant entrance.

Yes, we will. We lose eternal reward because of NOT adding to our faith the list that Peter gave.

And none of this has anything to do with getting saved.

That's your choice, but Jesus very clearly taught eternal security, nonetheless.

The only thing that can change minds is first having an open mind, and then reading Scripture.

I think it is sad that you misunderstand "stumble" for losing salvation, especially because of what Jesus said so very clearly in John 10:28.

To "make your call and election sure" means to confirm it. It doesn't mean to gain the call and election.

One confirms what is already there. Like plane tickets, etc.

Amen, God bless you friend

I was just fishing for a reason why you disagreed with post #1303, that's all. Maybe I could clarify myself.

You don't need to add anything to your faith

If your faith real it will bear fruit of loving work

If your faith not bear fruit than it is fake faith and will be cut, trown to eternal fire exactly like Jesus say in john 15

8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Is not inherit the kingdom mean go to heaven?
I don't think so
It is wear not inherit kingdom mean go to heaven
If so, Paul will explain that plainly

How about inherit also mean go to heaven?

I am not going to stoop that low to give you an answer

let me guess, you think you can sin certain sins and you are still saved correct?

What make you think that way?

FreeGrace2 said:
The implication is that those who DO add to their faith the list that Peter gave, will receive an ABUNDANT ENTRANCE into the kingdom.
For an "ABUNDANT ENTRANCE" into the kingdom, YES, you Do.

Apparently you don't understand my statement, nor the verse.

No, that's what the commandments are for; for believers to obey.

Show me the verse that says bearing fruit is guaranteed or automatic, as you opine.

No, James said it is a barren or unproductive faith.

NO verse says what you keep repeating. You are simply giving your own opinion without any regard for the cultural context of what Jesus said.

How about NOT mean that. Did you read the 3 parallel passages? You should have.

What is abundant entrance
What verse have word "abundant entrance" John 15:5

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

I will continue when I am finish do something

FreeGrace2 said:
The implication is that those who DO add to their faith the list that Peter gave, will receive an ABUNDANT ENTRANCE into the kingdom.
I've already told you a number of times. It is some of the eternal reward that believers may earn.

nope. Not that one. 2 Pet 1:10

Your questions demonstrate that you haven't been taught anything about eternal reward. How sad. You should change pastors, or whoever you've been "learning" under.

[QUOTiE="FreeGrace2, post: 4868190, member: 304922"]No, that's what the commandments are for; for believers to obey.[/QUOTE]

4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

The command is not to bear fruit
The command is ti remain in Him, bear fruit is a result

Because all sin is equal. James said if you stumble in one area you are guilty of all

Your quick to judge a certain sin. You can;t judge them without judging your own.

As far as I know reward depend how good of your ministry
You are the builder, you build a building if the fire come and the building not burn you get reward
If your building burn you still go to heaven but through flame

In this case your building not you burn

In john 15 Jesus talking about different screnario, not the same as Paul

Jesus talking about branch,

Branch in this analogy equal builder in Paul analogy, not building

Branch that not bear the fruit will be cut trown into fire
Builder on Paul analogy not trown into fire, escape from fire but through flame

Different case, different punishment

Trown into fire is hell
Trough flame but escape is through hell but escape, not into hell.
The best way is the building also from gold, not burn on fire

Say you are missionary on Muslim country
You preach among Muslim
100 people convert
Than persecution come
70 denied Jesus
Those 70 are burn, not you because you not denied but you cry for those 70
You save escape from fire but sad/trough flame

What happen when you in Him and He in you
This is the outcome

Matt 25
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Jesus in you make you become loving person helping the needy
Not because you are good, you bear the fruit not produce the fruit
Jesus the producer that why salvation by faith not by work, because that good work not from you, it is produce by Jesus in you

What happen if your faith, Jesus not in you

42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

Than into eternal fire or hell

Because 1303 suggest there is a difference of God and Christ.
There is not...they are the same. With manifestations in different places and same places at the same time.
Witness Christs' baptism. Witness Christ conversation with God on the cross, etc.

That division is necessary because scriptures says...no one has seen God and if they did they must surely die. So the exact under different name and physical body vs spirit body allows for that without vio;ation.

And the wage of sin is death, hell not only losing reward but still go to heaven
That why we need to invite Jesus in so we bear fruit
Because Jesus say no fruit will be cut off and trown into hell

How sinner like me produce fruit?
Impisdible, the only we can do is let Jesus in He do the job, we bear that product
Not boasting, I am not producer, no reason to boasting

I don't believe I mentioned any of the above..Here is what I said

All I indicated was that Paul talked about 'another Jesus' 2Cor 11:4 and 'another Gospel' Gal 1:6-9.

How to remain in Him?

To continue in faith
Believing He has done everything necessary to save us - seeking Him, loving Him, loving mercy and truth

We must walk the same way as we believe, or we are fools.
We should be wise.

So whether we are afraid we lose salvation, or whether we are sure we won't, we need to keep away from sin. Sin is stupid - we will live forever in Christ, righteous - were are idiots not to start living righteous in Him now, as much as we can.

Who disagrees with that? None of us!
Lets not pretend anyone does, then.

We must keep ourselves from bitterness - we must love each other

Amien