Israel

Apparently you haven't seen the prophecy of the 144,000 Jews that will be saved during the Tribulation to be evangelists of the Gospel.[/QUOTE]

Dispensationalism is a pseudo-Christian cult. I suggest you educate yourself

Apparently you haven't seen the prophecy of the 144,000 Jews that will be saved during the Tribulation to be evangelists of the Gospel.[/QUOTE]

Your personal interpretation does not count since nothing in the book of Revelation points to our future. Read the scriptures in context and DO NOT ignore what I said. If you can debate me on the scriptures I posted, please do so, otherwise, don't bother. [/QUOTE]
Well...the lake of fire and final judgment are still future.

Well have you read revelations? on earth as in heaven God's ways God's will feastivals of God, ark of covenant, incents bowl, basin, menorahs etc... God original showed people God's ways God's will in old testament= old covenant and new testament= new covenant that says specifically who every time new covenant is written in Bible and no where in Bible does it say to be gentile or read Bible describes definition of gent Jesus said He came to save the lost sheep of house of israel2.5million God scattered to ev

Ya exactly like 2.5 million God scatter to to every nation or latter days end of the age return and it's all only one way Jesus says only." I came to save the lost sheep of israel. Read revelations heaven only God's ways God's Will only everlasting menorha ark of covenant etc.... Justly like two God's house Temple on earth as in heaven and Jesus will regin over all the earth Lion of Judah 🦁 and What will Jesus do to anyone that doesn't go to jerusalem for millieum feastivals of God. By the way there are hundreds of millions Messianic jewish people. Jesus went to many cities in israel healing everyone and the whole cities believed following Him by the 10's of thousands 5,000men+ ladies and children. Abba send Jesus all pray for Jesus to return ask all to pray imagine billions praying humbling turning to God's ways God will turn ear to heal there land nation one nation under Gods heavenly everlasting Ways eturnity always been always will be -1/3

1) Jesus could have been talking about His precrucifixion mission

2) It is possible that through Jesus the Gentile converts to Christianity were considered to be unified under the house of Israel. This would be in the same way that Israelites were considered to be unified under the house of Judah. Paul was a Benji by heritage but was still referred to as a Jew because all of the Israelites unified under the house of Judah. And so by extension it is not far fetched to interpret "the Israel of God" or "the house of Israel" to be inclusive of Gentile-Christians.

Messianic Jews aren't necessarily Christian. Many Messianic Jews are not Christian.

Belief in Jesus as the messiah by itself is not sufficient to make one a Christian. Otherwise Moslems would count as Christian.

A catch-22...If you were to challenge your opponent for the sake of correctness, you will have an argument on your hands.
If you don't, it makes your opponent look like a winner because he run you off. It seems that either way, he wins.
Don't be fooled; pride will force you to attempt to win, but you will not be right.
Leave them alone & let the thread die. Don't give them the satisfaction of pulling you into the middle of a dispute.

90% of it does.

Really? I’ve read it over 100 times. It points to the future of John’s day BUT NOT TO OUR FUTURE. If you insist, please provide chapter and verse.

I am very curious. ;-)

Your personal interpretation does not count since nothing in the book of Revelation points to our future. Read the scriptures in context and DO NOT ignore what I said. If you can debate me on the scriptures I posted, please do so, otherwise, don't bother. [/QUOTE]
Well...the lake of fire and final judgment are still future.[/QUOTE]

Imageries…

MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:

Please read Romans 11 carefully and do not leave any verses out. The promise to Israel was a Messiah, nothing else. They did whatever they wanted with the Son of God and killed Him. They persecuted Jewish believers to death, and almost killed Paul the Apostle. In the end, they died at the hands of the Romans. If you don't read the word of God within the context it is given, you will come up with a false alternative explanation that feeds the flesh but does nothing to glorify the Lord.

God fulfilled all His promises to Israel (Josh 21:45; 23:14, 1Ki. 8:56: Acts 13:32-33). Why then do you continue to believe lies?

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Those verses do not prove your assertion. There were also prophecies given _after_ Moses. God sent Christ, and the apostles asked Him before the ascension if He would, at that time, restore the kingdom to Israel. He told them it was not for them to know the times which the Father had put in His own power. The Lord Jesus had opened the minds of the apostles to understand the scriptures. They apparently understood, based on scripture, that a restoration of the kingdom to Israel was still going to happen in the future, and Christ's words encouraged this belief.

Also, Romans 11 indicates that the blindness on the nation of Israel is temporary, and is there until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. God is using Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy. Paul shared this mystery lest Gentiles be wise in their own conceits.



Apparently you haven't seen the prophecy of the 144,000 Jews that will be saved during the Tribulation to be evangelists of the Gospel.[/QUOTE]

Your personal interpretation does not count since nothing in the book of Revelation points to our future. Read the scriptures in context and DO NOT ignore what I said. If you can debate me on the scriptures I posted, please do so, otherwise, don't bother. [/QUOTE]

Well...the lake of fire and final judgment are still future.[/QUOTE]

Imageries… [/QUOTE]
I actually agree with you but final judgment is still future.

Revelation 21:

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Fullness does not mean day by day. Gentiles might trickle in or come in in droves, but that continues until all Gentiles come in that are coming in. Blindness is happened IN PART to Israel, so Israelites being converted doesn't mean the blindness is being lifted. Blindness is on those who aren't repenting and coming to faith. that lifts when the fulness of the Gentiles come in.

Yes. Many will turn to Jesus in the time of Tribulation.

There are two considerations for the passage:

1) What "until the fulness" means
2) What "in part" means

By acknowledging that some of Israel has their blindness lifted all of the time and continue to find Christ day by day, you are acknowledging that either "the fulness" is a condition continually met (unblinding the contemporaneous "part"), or that "in part" is a continually shrinking number relative to the absolute total of blind Israel from across all time and space.

In either case, "in part" can only mean "at least one".

If you accept that part of the "in part" converts daily, then you cannot logically hold the position that "All blind Israel will remain blind until the absolute total number of Gentiles come in". It's a contradiction.

I will have to do no such thing.

Biblical future fact.

Man's pollution of this poor old planet is also a fact.

How do you explain Peter using the word "us-ward"? Does not Peter have the promise of eternal heaven? The "any" has reference to those that have obtained like precious faith, nit to the unregenerate.

The Jews, twelve tribes of Israel. Same audience as James. God has suffered long with that nation.