Nephelim

In post 213 you stated, “Since God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels”.

Since I know that Scripture doesn’t contain such a statement, I asked in post 215, “Where does God state clearly that the sons of God are angels?”

In post 217 you responded with, “The Holy Spirit stated it clearly and our LORD Jesus Christ, the Creator, also stated it clearly.”

In post 218 I responded, “You dodged that almost completely. WHERE in Scripture did the Holy Spirit state clearly that the sons of God are angels??" I gave more info in 219 and rephrased my question.

In post 221 you said, “I see your dilemma” and pointed me to post 118.

I responded in post 225 with “There is no dilemma. Job 1:6 and 2:1 both use the same Hebrew phrase bene ha'elohim. This means "sons of God", not "angels". The Hebrew word for angels is ha'malakim. It's a different root with a different meaning. In other words, you have still provided no evidence for your claim.”

Read on from there. I have provided evidence contradicting your claim. You have not provided clear evidence supporting it. Instead, you have advised me to just believe every word of Scripture… implying clearly that I don’t... while you blather on about "Christian love". I don't consider insults and arrogance to be consistent with Christian love at all.

Again, your claim, which I reject as erroneous:

“God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels” or, more succinctly, “God clearly said that the sons of God are angels”.

At no time have I asserted that the sons of God are not angels, nor that they are humans, nor anything else. I am simply and directly challenging your assertion as you worded it.

God has not “clearly” said that the sons of God are angels. For your assertion to be true, there would have to be a text in Scripture where God says something very much like, “The sons of God are angels”. That would be a clear statement. There is no such statement.

You pointed to several passages where “sons of God” are mentioned, and made some logical leaps to support your assertion. Let me be “clear”: If an assertion requires logical leaps, it isn’t clearly stated!

So, perhaps next time, instead of going off on an irrelevant rant implying that others are inferior to you, read carefully what they are saying, don’t make assumptions, and definitely don't imply that they don't believe or adding to Scripture! Further, don't be a hypocrite, doing exactly what you criticize others for doing.

In post 213 you stated, “Since God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels”.

Since I know that Scripture doesn’t contain such a statement, I asked in post 215, “Where does God state clearly that the sons of God are angels?”

In post 217 you responded with, “The Holy Spirit stated it clearly and our LORD Jesus Christ, the Creator, also stated it clearly.”

In post 218 I responded, “You dodged that almost completely. WHERE in Scripture did the Holy Spirit state clearly that the sons of God are angels??" I gave more info in 219 and rephrased my question.

In post 221 you said, “I see your dilemma” and pointed me to post 118.

I responded in post 225 with “There is no dilemma. Job 1:6 and 2:1 both use the same Hebrew phrase bene ha'elohim. This means "sons of God", not "angels". The Hebrew word for angels is ha'malakim. It's a different root with a different meaning. In other words, you have still provided no evidence for your claim.”

Read on from there. I have provided evidence contradicting your claim. You have not provided clear evidence supporting it. Instead, you have advised me to just believe every word of Scripture… implying clearly that I don’t... while you blather on about "Christian love". I don't consider insults and arrogance to be consistent with Christian love at all.

Again, your claim, which I reject as erroneous:

“God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels” or, more succinctly, “God clearly said that the sons of God are angels”.

At no time have I asserted that the sons of God are not angels, nor that they are humans, nor anything else. I am simply and directly challenging your assertion as you worded it.

God has not “clearly” said that the sons of God are angels. For your assertion to be true, there would have to be a text in Scripture where God says something very much like, “The sons of God are angels”. That would be a clear statement. There is no such statement.

You pointed to several passages where “sons of God” are mentioned, and made some logical leaps to support your assertion. Let me be “clear”: If an assertion requires logical leaps, it isn’t clearly stated!

So, perhaps next time, instead of going off on an irrelevant rant implying that others are inferior to you, read carefully what they are saying, don’t make assumptions, and definitely don't imply that they don't believe or adding to Scripture! Further, don't be a hypocrite, doing exactly what you criticize others for doing.

In post 213 you stated, “Since God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels”.

Since I know that Scripture doesn’t contain such a statement, I asked in post 215, “Where does God state clearly that the sons of God are angels?”

In post 217 you responded with, “The Holy Spirit stated it clearly and our LORD Jesus Christ, the Creator, also stated it clearly.”

In post 218 I responded, “You dodged that almost completely. WHERE in Scripture did the Holy Spirit state clearly that the sons of God are angels??" I gave more info in 219 and rephrased my question.

In post 221 you said, “I see your dilemma” and pointed me to post 118.

I responded in post 225 with “There is no dilemma. Job 1:6 and 2:1 both use the same Hebrew phrase bene ha'elohim. This means "sons of God", not "angels". The Hebrew word for angels is ha'malakim. It's a different root with a different meaning. In other words, you have still provided no evidence for your claim.”

Read on from there. I have provided evidence contradicting your claim. You have not provided clear evidence supporting it. Instead, you have advised me to just believe every word of Scripture… implying clearly that I don’t... while you blather on about "Christian love". I don't consider insults and arrogance to be consistent with Christian love at all.

Again, your claim, which I reject as erroneous:

“God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels” or, more succinctly, “God clearly said that the sons of God are angels”.

At no time have I asserted that the sons of God are not angels, nor that they are humans, nor anything else. I am simply and directly challenging your assertion as you worded it.

God has not “clearly” said that the sons of God are angels. For your assertion to be true, there would have to be a text in Scripture where God says something very much like, “The sons of God are angels”. That would be a clear statement. There is no such statement.

You pointed to several passages where “sons of God” are mentioned, and made some logical leaps to support your assertion. Let me be “clear”: If an assertion requires logical leaps, it isn’t clearly stated!

So, perhaps next time, instead of going off on an irrelevant rant implying that others are inferior to you, read carefully what they are saying, don’t make assumptions, and definitely don't imply that they don't believe or adding to Scripture! Further, don't be a hypocrite, doing exactly what you criticize others for doing.

The Holy Spirit has used different names for the SAME thing/person/place.

God gave eight distinct names to signify angels = #1 Sons of God and #2 Angels #3 Cherubim #4 Seraphim #5 Archangel #6 Messenger #7 Ministers #8 Flames of Fire #9 Satan #10 Michael #11 Gabriel

This is GREAT - i love you guys and BEST of ALL i love the Holy Spirit of Truth, who stands with me
only because i am on His Side of Truth on this current subject matter which HE delegated for you to believe.

"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually."

KEY to unlocking Truth is "believe every word and do not add or take away".

#1.) Melchizedek is never mentioned or alluded/referenced to concerning to and specifically to Genesis chapter 6.

#2.) Melchizedek = "without father, without mother, without genealogy, = 3 strikes your out brother

#3.) Melchizedek = "having neither beginning of days nor end of life"

#4.) Melchizedek = "made like the Son of God" = not 'a' son of God but but 'the' SON of God

#5.) You failed your "elementary" principals on this subject in almost every aspect = from the very beginning.

#6.) Return to the correct Path of Truth = Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , 2 Timothey 2:15 , 1 john 2:21 , Revelation 22:18-19

The Holy Spirit is working GREATLY on behalf of everyone here who is willing = do not miss out.

The Holy Spirit did not give eight (or more) names to signify angels.

Cherubim are not angels. Seraphim are not angels. Ministers is a general term not specific to angels. Flames of fire are not angels. Satan is not an angel. Michael and Gabriel are personal names, not generic names, and "archangels" is a subcategory, not a general term.

Because, instead of thinking through what I told you to think through, you repeated yourself in your previous four or five posts, I'm not going to bother responding further. I see no reason to entertain your stubborn refusal to learn.

I will just state, once again, you are wrong. Your assertion is wrong, your misinterpretations of Scripture are wrong, your additions to Scripture are wrong, and your process of reasoning is wrong. Further, your stubbornness is wrong and your refusal to learn is wrong. Your arrogance is wrong and, finally, your misguided assurance that you are right... is wrong.

Are you serious? Just say you don't understand the initial covenant, the priests before the law, etc. You totally missed my point.

Pray that God removes the 'elementary' blinders so that you can SEE what the Scripture is saying = loud and clear.

DROP THIS DISGUSTING ARROGANCE! It is the antithesis of Christian love!

I went back and read parts of this thread. It's apparent you simply want to be right and are not open to understanding. I will not spare any more of my time in this thread.

Are you serious? Just say you don't understand the initial covenant, the priests before the law, etc. You totally missed my point.

John 1 "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Are you serious? Just say you don't understand the initial covenant, the priests before the law, etc. You totally missed my point.

John 1 "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Numbers 13:33We even saw the Nephilim there— the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim! We seemed like grasshoppers in our own sight, and we must have seemed the same to them!”
Anak is of the Caananite lineage, from Noah's grandson Caanan, son of Ham, whom Noah had cursed.

No one can fault you for lacking passion.

It requires wisdom.
We know Melcizedek represents the priesthood that Christ restored. Christ is the high priest of that priesthood. Hebrews notes that Melchizedek was “like a Son of God”. Furthermore, there are no priests without a covenant. The priests, who administrated the covenant of God with God, are found at Sinai before the Law was given. They were typically the oldest males within each family.

Don’t get hung up on the phrase “sons of God”. Although it’s clearly in the NT referring to believers, you’ll find many more references to other words for son: neipios, teknon, neoniscus, huios. These are all “son” in the Greek with particular connotations. These are to be understood spiritually because God is the father of our spirits.

Numbers 13:33We even saw the Nephilim there— the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim! We seemed like grasshoppers in our own sight, and we must have seemed the same to them!”
Anak is of the Caananite lineage, from Noah's grandson Caanan, son of Ham, whom Noah had cursed.

The Nephilim are not "sons of God" and never were.

The Nephilim are human/angel hybrid offspring.

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

There is no Scripture that states the Caananite lineage were the "sons of God" of Genesis ch6.

There is not a single scripture that states the "sons of God" of Gen ch6 are "men" = not one.

What fellers are you referring to in this reply to the scripture that I offered saying, We even saw the Nephilim there -the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephelim, the ones the spies saw or the ones descended from Anak whom Arba is a forefather of (Joshua 15:14 in the context of when Joshua drove out Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak)? These are all descended from human fathers who were descended from Adam, the son of God (Luke 3:38). Adam was not the begotten son of God and neither are Nephilim begotten of any demigod or half-breed angel. Nephilim is a term used for a group of people, Anakites for one in the example mentioned in Numbers 13:33, much like we might refer to the pygmies in an example of a group of little people.

What fellers are you referring to in this reply to the scripture that I offered saying, We even saw the Nephilim there -the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephelim, the ones the spies saw or the ones descended from Anak whom Arba is a forefather of (Joshua 15:14 in the context of when Joshua drove out Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak)? These are all descended from human fathers who were descended from Adam, the son of God (Luke 3:38). Adam was not the begotten son of God and neither are Nephilim begotten of any demigod or half-breed angel. Nephilim is a term used for a group of people, Anakites for one in the example mentioned in Numbers 13:33, much like we might refer to the pygmies in an example of a group of little people.

i accept ALL challengers = You , CS1, Aaron56

Follow your own guideline = "let's follow what scripture says"

Please provide the Scriptural Evidence that states the Genesis ch6 "sons of God" are "men of the flesh".

Scripture is Self-Correcting = find your evidence that is directly referencing Genesis ch6 "sons of God".

FYI I DID PROVIDE IT FOR YOU TWICE, post 299 and 307. get over yourself. No one is challenging you. We are providing scripture as to the context of Gen chapter 6. You accept or not. The sad thing is when you are given scripture from the opposing view, you result to name calling as to say one is a liar or needs to repent. Real students of the word of God don't have to do that. You can get off your soap box now and continue with your opinion on gen chapter 6.