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You refuse to watch the video so i guess i have to summarize the first part for you.
David eventually Fully Repented ...you haven't.
[1Ki 15:5 KJV] Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.
David Wrote this:
[Psa 119:11 KJV] Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
He turned to GOD with all his heart.
[Psa 18:19-24 KJV] He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
[20] The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
[21] For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
[22] For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.
[23] I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.
[24] Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.
So you misinterpret
[1Jo 1:8 KJV] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Are you saying King David is deceiving himself and the truth is not in him? He turned from his old ways at this point.
[1Ki 11:38 KJV] And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.
David eventually Fully Repented ...you haven't.
[1Ki 15:5 KJV] Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.
David Wrote this:
[Psa 119:11 KJV] Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
He turned to GOD with all his heart.
[Psa 18:19-24 KJV] He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
[20] The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
[21] For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
[22] For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.
[23] I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.
[24] Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.
So you misinterpret
[1Jo 1:8 KJV] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Are you saying King David is deceiving himself and the truth is not in him? He turned from his old ways at this point.
[1Ki 11:38 KJV] And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.
From the first time I read the first few posts here, the first strong thought came to mind, " This is that same apostate preacher that was booted off this site late last summer!" I forgot his name, but I guessed at that time, sooner or later he'd probably come back as a sock puppet. I might be wrong, but I don't think so; the hardcore works "salvation" sinless "holiness" heresy, same tone, writing style.
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Be clear on what you are saying: are you saying if a person sins e.g. by adultery, (1) he never had the Holy Spirit? or (2) he lost the Holy Spirit when he sinned that deadly sin? Is it (1) or (2).
As I said earlier, if a person repents, God immediately forgives them. He may know very well you are going to fall into sin next time, but that is not a reason He will withhold His forgiveness.
King David walked with God from his youth. The Holy Spirit lived in him and defeated Goliath for and through him. The Holy Spirit did not refuse to dwell with David even though the Holy Spirit knew David would later on, as an adult, sin by adultery. God does the same even now. Also, as soon as David repented, God forgave him, and did not say "you haven't repented" etc and other false and rash judgments like that which you are making. Be careful judging others rashly - for that is a sin. Are you claiming to be sinless, btw?
When we commit a sin, we should repent: that is the Biblical Principle. When we repent, we are immediately forgiven.
After being forgiven, we should strive to avoid willful sins. The Blood of Christ washed our former sins away. The Spirit of God gives us the Power to avoid future sins. But there is no limit to God's forgiveness. He Himself told us to forgive 490 times, 70*7, will He not do much more than what He asked us to do? As often as we sin, we can ask for forgiveness, and we will be forgiven.
As I said earlier, if a person repents, God immediately forgives them. He may know very well you are going to fall into sin next time, but that is not a reason He will withhold His forgiveness.
King David walked with God from his youth. The Holy Spirit lived in him and defeated Goliath for and through him. The Holy Spirit did not refuse to dwell with David even though the Holy Spirit knew David would later on, as an adult, sin by adultery. God does the same even now. Also, as soon as David repented, God forgave him, and did not say "you haven't repented" etc and other false and rash judgments like that which you are making. Be careful judging others rashly - for that is a sin. Are you claiming to be sinless, btw?
When we commit a sin, we should repent: that is the Biblical Principle. When we repent, we are immediately forgiven.
After being forgiven, we should strive to avoid willful sins. The Blood of Christ washed our former sins away. The Spirit of God gives us the Power to avoid future sins. But there is no limit to God's forgiveness. He Himself told us to forgive 490 times, 70*7, will He not do much more than what He asked us to do? As often as we sin, we can ask for forgiveness, and we will be forgiven.
What about King Solomon? He was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write several Books in our Bible. Yet when he grew old, this happened: "As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been." (1 Kings 11:4)
And nobody is saying one goes to Heaven without repentance. I'm saying God is not a Pharisee, as some people may be. If you sincerely say: "I'm sorry, Lord, for my sin. Please forgive me and help me not do it again", He'll forgive you immediately.
And nobody is saying one goes to Heaven without repentance. I'm saying God is not a Pharisee, as some people may be. If you sincerely say: "I'm sorry, Lord, for my sin. Please forgive me and help me not do it again", He'll forgive you immediately.
Noticed you didn't answer the question.
Were YOU on this site under a different name?
EVEN, by making the account, you have deceived the site owners, and it's members. And according to you, that's it! You have sinned after apparently being cleansed from your past sins.
Is it Pittsburgh Joe? Or the other guy that supported Pittsburgh Joe?
Were YOU on this site under a different name?
EVEN, by making the account, you have deceived the site owners, and it's members. And according to you, that's it! You have sinned after apparently being cleansed from your past sins.
Is it Pittsburgh Joe? Or the other guy that supported Pittsburgh Joe?
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And as proof that God forgives immediately, see the same parable: "13But the tax collector stood at a distance, unwilling even to lift up his eyes to heaven. Instead, he beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner!’ 14I tell you, this man, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified.
So God immediately forgave him. He just said a simple sinner's prayer: "God have mercy on me a sinner", and He was immediately forgiven. And yes, after being forgiven, you should praise and thank the Lord, forgive others, give back money you might have stolen or something like that etc. But that doesn't affect the fact that God forgives immediately.
So God immediately forgave him. He just said a simple sinner's prayer: "God have mercy on me a sinner", and He was immediately forgiven. And yes, after being forgiven, you should praise and thank the Lord, forgive others, give back money you might have stolen or something like that etc. But that doesn't affect the fact that God forgives immediately.
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the deceived bring this Scripture up as if the publican (tax collector) continued to swindle people after Repenting ...but there is a clear example a few Verses later:
Luke 19:7-10 KJV — And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner. And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold. And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:
for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 KJV
for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 KJV
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Guys like you are actually a good testimony of why sinless perfectionism even after regeneration is such a destructive, heretical doctrine.
Somehow in your mind you have rationalized that deceiving us, and lying isn’t sin.
You redefine what sin is and cheapen God’s Holy, perfect standard.
The problem is that some baby Christians may stumble because of your heresy. And that will be on you before the Lord.
Somehow in your mind you have rationalized that deceiving us, and lying isn’t sin.
You redefine what sin is and cheapen God’s Holy, perfect standard.
The problem is that some baby Christians may stumble because of your heresy. And that will be on you before the Lord.
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Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
Being able to sup with him depends upon being willing to both hear and heed his voice. It is we who must open the door.
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
Being able to sup with him depends upon being willing to both hear and heed his voice. It is we who must open the door.
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“but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, ( action ) and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.( residue )
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:7-10 KJV
Mostly people who think they are sinless , aren’t able to acknolwedge tbier own sins because they won’t stand in the light
This is a small ray of the light
“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:27-31, 35-38, 46-49 KJV
“ sinless folk “ won’t hear this , those who have acknowledged thier own sins and shortcomings will embrace it and hold on forever
awhile the self righteous stand back and say of Jesus the savior “ he’s associating with sinners “
“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
Luke 15:1-2 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, ( action ) and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.( residue )
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:7-10 KJV
Mostly people who think they are sinless , aren’t able to acknolwedge tbier own sins because they won’t stand in the light
This is a small ray of the light
“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:27-31, 35-38, 46-49 KJV
“ sinless folk “ won’t hear this , those who have acknowledged thier own sins and shortcomings will embrace it and hold on forever
awhile the self righteous stand back and say of Jesus the savior “ he’s associating with sinners “
“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
Luke 15:1-2 KJV
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