Two main issues

You have to repent; you have to turn from your sin; yes, you have to be serious about changing. However, the Lord doesn't look at a person's outward performance but their heart, their sincerity. He doesn't expect a person to be perfect but He does expect them to be willing to change. If someone is just mouthing some words in hope to get saved then yeah, they're trusting in their own merit. But if someone says the words and means them He will save them.

What do you suppose the Lord would think if someone knelt before Him and said: Lord, save me. I have no intention of changing; I have no interest in stopping sinning; I just don't want to go to Hell. Unfortunately, that's actually what most people these days think salvation is.

What you're saying sounds like dogma taken to the extreme and has become devoid of any common sense.

This is just a side bar.

I really like the flow of colors in this panel, just wondering why she only has one earing?

Thank you! My work is a mélange, as I put together various "ephemera" in a collage design,
starting with a blank canvas, using a selection of various bits I have collected over the last
five years, which number well over 12,000 by now LOL. So the girl started out looking like this:



And on one side I added part of this woman:



I collect these various pieces from sites that offer them free for use in personal projects .


John 5:24
Some women do only wear one ear ring... though I do not wear them myself .

Salvation is knowing you can do nothing of yourself to be saved. The changed life comes after. It's not a commitment to good works.. it's an acknowledgement you are a sinner and need deliverance.

There will be fruit from salvation happening of course.. but that fruit isn't what caused it

What do you suppose the Lord would think if someone knelt before Him and said: Lord, save me. I have no intention of changing; I have no interest in stopping sinning; I just don't want to go to Hell. Unfortunately, that's actually what most people these days think salvation is.

I agree it's not a commitment to good works that saves. But if a person turns from their sin and makes a commitment start doing good works, what's wrong with that? It's a lot better than making a commitment to keep doing evil. Just because a person makes a commitment to do good works when they turn to the Lord that doesn't mean they're automatically practicing works salvation. That's what you want it to mean but I don't agree at all.

I'm still puzzled by why you think anyone is even teaching this. So far all you've done is keep saying someone or other is creating a big issue by teaching that people must make a commitment to good works before they can be saved. You mentioned John MacArthur, Ray Comfort, Paul Washer and some Campus Crusade pamphlet; but you haven't shown anything that can demonstrate that this is what they actually teach. I'm beginning to think you've decided you know what theology MacArthur, Comfort, Washer and Campus Crusade embrace so you've assumed that this must be what they teach. Without providing something concrete to examine it's virtually impossible to know if you're on track or off in left field. Maybe that's what you prefer, I don't know.

Anyway, I have some Jello I've been meaning to nail to the wall; maybe I'll have better luck with that.

It's believing He is God, died and rose again, lived sinless. That by believing in Him you have eternal life.

Ok.. what is wrong with a commitment to Jesus of good works at salvation is first.. that's coming from you... Not from Jesus...

Second .. if you fail in that commitment after salvation.. then what? Never saved in the first place? Lost salvation?

That is what is wrong with the commitment to good works. It's relying on performance.

But also .. with the campus crusade tract.. when after salvation you are not faithful..they have another tract about putting God 'back on the throne of your life'.

Which means ..they assume you are making God no 1 in every area of your life at salvation.

Still performance based

If I was at a church service and the preacher said to someone: Do you promise to stop sinning?
And the person says: Yes. Then the preacher says: Bless you, you're worthy of salvation, welcome
to God's family. If that happened, I'd say yeah, that's not the gospel or salvation at all. But I've
never heard or seen anything remotely close to that and would be very shocked if I did.

“Jesus gets you into heaven, Him alone”
does this mean we get to ignore what Jesus said about salvation and be saved too ?

Anyway, I have some Jello I've been meaning to nail to the wall; maybe I'll have better luck with that.

This word believing here is not just believing in a general way that He is God ----died and rose again and lived sinless ------

Anyone can believe Jesus is God ---etc ---the demons believe Jesus is God but they aren't saved ------

The word believe here goes deeper than just believing ------you need to trust in and adhear to God and His truth ----

Also you must confess with your mouth that Jesus Is Lord ------Confessing out loud is declaring your True Faith in God ----what you have confidence in --you will speak out -------

This is the scripture ----and Notice the IF YOU -----Many think as long as they believe in Jesus they are saved ----well it is not quite that simple ---it goes a little deeper than that ------


Romans 10:9

Amplified Bible, Classic Edition

9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

There are two main issues that mess with salvation that are popular at the moment.

One is Lordship salvation. This is where salvation depends on you lessening sin in your life before you can be saved or means that if you are saved, you WILL be continuously faithful after salvation.

It's 'back loading' works into salvation and is quite subtle.. but messes with the Holy Spirit's power to convict and save an individual aside from any effort on their part.

In lordship salvation, many still get saved anyway, because it usually has believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved anyway. But it can lead to false conversion.

The other main problem is baptismal regeneration which has no salvic capability, yet is getting more popular.

Water baptism is a response to having already been saved ... as a picture of salvation, not the vehicle of salvation.

The vehicle is God.. Jesus the Messiah, who by believing in Him, anyone has eternal life. Not by water baptism, not by reducing sin in your life and then you are saved.

Jesus gets you into heaven, Him alone .. not your effort, not because you reduced sin. It's not from you.. it's all from His sacrifice and deliverance. Full stop .

What happens after being saved is to build a close relationship with Him and build rewards I heaven.... Not to get into heaven.

There are two main issues that mess with salvation that are popular at the moment.

One is Lordship salvation. This is where salvation depends on you lessening sin in your life before you can be saved or means that if you are saved, you WILL be continuously faithful after salvation.

It's 'back loading' works into salvation and is quite subtle.. but messes with the Holy Spirit's power to convict and save an individual aside from any effort on their part.

In lordship salvation, many still get saved anyway, because it usually has believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved anyway. But it can lead to false conversion.

The other main problem is baptismal regeneration which has no salvic capability, yet is getting more popular.

Water baptism is a response to having already been saved ... as a picture of salvation, not the vehicle of salvation.

The vehicle is God.. Jesus the Messiah, who by believing in Him, anyone has eternal life. Not by water baptism, not by reducing sin in your life and then you are saved.

Jesus gets you into heaven, Him alone .. not your effort, not because you reduced sin. It's not from you.. it's all from His sacrifice and deliverance. Full stop .

What happens after being saved is to build a close relationship with Him and build rewards I heaven.... Not to get into heaven.

I think part of the problem with the baptism thing is the verse that reads, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:16)

I think part of the problem with the baptism thing is the verse that reads, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:16)

I haven't seen ANY commitment to good works spoken about BEFORE salvation. Not one jot.
Is there good works expected by God AFTER salvation? Yes there is.
Eph 2:8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [l]this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Works does not save, but not doing what God prepared in us to do is disobedience. Disobedience leads to falling away from the faith & those who fall away don't inherit eternal life.

There are two main issues that mess with salvation that are popular at the moment.

One is Lordship salvation. This is where salvation depends on you lessening sin in your life before you can be saved or means that if you are saved, you WILL be continuously faithful after salvation.

It's 'back loading' works into salvation and is quite subtle.. but messes with the Holy Spirit's power to convict and save an individual aside from any effort on their part.

In lordship salvation, many still get saved anyway, because it usually has believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved anyway. But it can lead to false conversion.

The other main problem is baptismal regeneration which has no salvic capability, yet is getting more popular.

Water baptism is a response to having already been saved ... as a picture of salvation, not the vehicle of salvation.

The vehicle is God.. Jesus the Messiah, who by believing in Him, anyone has eternal life. Not by water baptism, not by reducing sin in your life and then you are saved.

Jesus gets you into heaven, Him alone .. not your effort, not because you reduced sin. It's not from you.. it's all from His sacrifice and deliverance. Full stop .

What happens after being saved is to build a close relationship with Him and build rewards I heaven.... Not to get into heaven.