Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

You're being disingenuous again. And I'm not amused, nor surprised.

Please allow me to defend myself... once again to go over the sequence... and please disarm yourself of a need defend but rather review the conversation and see that you are the one that started this confrontation... and I mean this with respect.

I never used the word destroy... you brought this up first, would you agree? Please answer this one thing alone.

And since you had brought it up first, yet accused me of it... would you not see how I would be perplexed by your assertion?

So, I ask myself Why would you bring it up, and them go so far as to say that I was slandering you for my protestations against its use unless you were thoroughly confused... or, perhaps, had a demon? It's no stretch to think that when is arguing a point that has not even been made, and even accuses one of slander... that there's not something "abnormal" going on. You did this... you accused first... I did not mention demons until after your nonsensical accusation.
Please address this one point alone.

I do believe that you present a false gospel... and yet, you are offended. I get that. The narrative of Scripture totally has guided my thinking and I do not think that I am off base in this. Torah observance is heretical. nevertheless, you persist. This site allows for that, and I submit... I have no need to argue your fallacious posts because Scripture proceeds any idea that I might come up with. I am but a tool.

Your inclusion of Hebraic language is a farce... you want to claim that you are just using it for accuracy is spurious. "John" is John... not "Yahanan", a usage that there is no need for, unless you are trying to promote some sort of racial supremacy to the Jews. And a racial supremacy ideology is not in keeping with Christianity. We are all one in Christ. This is an English-speaking site... why do you insist on using Hebrew even though it's not your native language?

Your aversion with the writings of Paul is very telling... as many Judaizers have always had serious problems with his writings. Despite that they are Scripture, Judaizers cannot get over the fact that he demonstrably speaks against Judaizing in Scripture... so you are "dead in the water", so to speak. I get your frustration... but not sympathetic to it. I do not get "freaked out" when reading Hebrew, but I do get freaked out when Judaizers come in force and en masse, as has been the case on this site lately. I have no reason why... it just is.

I am not going to continue conversing with you because you will not and refuse to answer simple questions put to you. Scripture is replete with discussions against Torah Observance and the members on this site are plenty wise in Christ without my intervention. Also, you seem bent on discussing YOUR usage of the word "destroy" while blaming me for it. (That seems demented to me... sorry). I don't want to engage with demented thinking.

Enjoy your life, please submit your mind and entire being to Jesus... He alone can save.

I answered with unmerited mercy:

I answered your question more than once, I feel it's fair for you to answer my question about those words of Yahshua/Jesus

Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

Can you tell me the meaning of iniquity and why it makes love grow cold

His obedience, Jesus' obedience.... just to be clear.

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It isn’t ? why did he reply with this response ?

“No question about it.”……the rest is below

You understand that YWHW is not an actual word but an Tetragrammaton right ? And that this Jesus is the name of the lord ? The fulness of The diety we refer to as God ?


I thought Jesus rose because of this

“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:16-18‬ ‭

Can you show me what the reward for keeping the law perfectly was in the law regarding the length of thier lives ?

when your looking at the law like it’s Gods word your looking through a blindfold I’ve quoted that several times on this thread but it falls on deaf ears sometimes other times the person reads it and considers what e apostles are saying …..

It’s too bad because following this ordination will Never give anyone any life

I’m not too sure how useful this would be to the lord Jesus ….or how it’s gonna give him a resurrection and eternal life …..I mean

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26, 43-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if Jesus is raising dead people , then m not sure he’s got a yoke around his neck reminding him not to kill anyone or else ……

we should t need that either wuote honestly if we’ve come to repentance at all in any way it’s just irrelevant u less one is desiring to kill and that sort of means they may not be filled with the holy spirit to me anyways ….but who am I

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭

Not sure how the lawgiver needs to obey a law for sinners to qualify but ….seems to me Jesus is God in the flesh and is the source of life himself and if anyone believes in him with total ignorance never even heard a single word of Moses law of they go to Jesus and hear and believe the gospel they will be free and saved much easier than a person trying to carry a ton of irrelevant bricks up the hill of Calvary rather than just learning from the lord when he came to teach us …..

No, John or Yahannan/Yochanan is a Hebrew man with a Hebrew name, it means "Gift of YHWH" or "YHWH is gracious" you going on and on about race when I never mentioned it before this post tells me you have the issue not me.

2491. Ióannés
Strong's Concordance
Ióannés: John, the name of several Israelites
Original Word: Ἰωάννης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Ióannés
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-o-an'-nace)
Definition: John, the name of several Israelites
Usage: John: the Baptist, the apostle, a member of the Sanhedrin, or John Mark.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
of Hebrew origin Yochanan

3110. Yochanan
Strong's Concordance
Yochanan: Johanan
Original Word: יוֹחָנָן
Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
Transliteration: Yochanan
Phonetic Spelling: (yo-khaw-nawn')
Definition: Johanan

https://www.behindthename.com/name/john

Meaning & History
English form of Iohannes, the Latin form of the Greek name Ἰωάννης (Ioannes), itself derived from the Hebrew name יוֹחָנָן (Yochanan) meaning "Yahweh is gracious", from the roots יוֹ (yo) referring to the Hebrew God and חָנַן (chanan) meaning "to be gracious".

Bump.

Why, @SpeakTruth101 won't you address this/these issue(s)?

Your posts are to long if you want to challenge one statement. Please make a more concise post if you expect an answer. Thank you

And yet... John is English... like this site and your mother tongue.
Yochanan is Hebrew.

Regardless of what my eccentricities might be... why are you making that distinction?

You recognized mercy but you don't recognize grace. You continue to want to deal with God on the basis of the law. Again, until you understand that God deals with His people according to grace, you will default to the law.
Your question is a distraction. My previous post explains why. I implore you to reread it and give some prayerful consideration of it. Until you understand grace, you will not understand what Jesus is teaching.
I have shared with you the necessity of a relationship with God based on grace. You can receive it or reject it.

I agree with it too but Moses words weren’t Jesus commandments is what you don’t seem to want to accept Jesus words are Jesus commandments and what promises life ….see

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is isn’t an addition to what Moses said this is Jesus saying if you trust me and hear my word your going to live and not be condemned like everyone has forever under the law ….

Moses word isnt the word of Jesus Christ but yes fully agree we need to obey the lord Jesus we don’t need to have Moses mediate it though

Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

The word translated iniquity is anomia G458 and means lawlessness, without law, violation of law and wickedness etc.

In the last times lawlessness will abound. Humankind are still responsible for their violations of moral law.

Believers are actually expected more from related to loving others. There is lots of instructions in the Letters/Epistles telling believers how we should live. We often fall short.

So in the last times, lawlessness will be rampant and people will not care about each other and will become excessively violent.

However they didnt say that in their post, you asked them and they then said it.

The letter "J" is only 400 years old, nobody ever called Him Jesus when He came.


Isayah 42:8, “I am יהוה, that is My Name, and My esteem I do not give to another, nor My praise to idols."


2424. Iésous Strong's Concordance
Iésous: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.

HELPS Word-studies
2424 Iēsoús – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").
"Jesus Christ" is properly "Jesus the Christ." "Jesus" (2424 /Iēsoús) is His human name, as the incarnate, eternal Son of God (Mt 1:21,25, see also Lk 1:31) – the Christ, the divine Messiah (the second Person of the holy Trinity).
[Christ (His title) means "the Anointed One" (the eternal pre-incarnate, Logos, Jn 1:1-18).]


3091. Yehoshua
Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.







KJV
Psalms 110:1, "A Psalm of David. The LORD (H#3068) said unto my Lord (#H113), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. "

Psalms 110:1, "יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” "

Someone else said He rose because being sinless not me, He rose because YHWH rose Him up and it was prophesied to happen and He fulfilled it, granting humans a chance at unmerited mercy.

Yes His Law is a part of His Word, realizing that is not wrong.

youre putting words in my mouth and beaing up the straw man.

I need no other evidence to guard His Instruction than this:

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

that is enough for me.

It not a bad thing, I also know that

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding (G5083) the Commands (G1785) of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Indeed, lawlessness will abound. But with that lawlessness, the old heresy of returning to "the Law" seems to be the soupe de jour... Torah observance, which Paul has already spoken at length on, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is very much back in vogue.

I did multiple times, you even replied with a "boring" emoji...

https://christianchat.com/threads/p...-of-the-ministry-of-death.212247/post-5136222

https://christianchat.com/threads/p...-of-the-ministry-of-death.212247/post-5136229

My use of a word saying a greek word did not mean destroy but rather transfer you reply with this and im the bad guy, with a demon? nonsense and rather sick.

Quoting what Yahshua says in not a false gospel, standing on Scripture is not a false gospel.

Everyone that disagress with me almost only quotes Paul, the only writer that we are warned not to take his writings to be lawless.

2 Peter 3:15-17, “15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. “

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."


I include Hebrew and Greek words because the text was originall written in Hebrew and Greek, therefore it helps to know and understand the original language, especially in places where the translation does not properly convey the original words. Such as "telos", telos does not mean end as in "the end of faith" it is "the goal of faith"

All these words are Hebrew and apper in ever english translation I have ever seen, do you freak out when you read them? Or are you just picking on me?

amen, Passover, Sabbath, Gehenna, raka, abba and halleluyah (halleluiah)

unbelievers are still under the condemnation of the law.

you keep leaving out the "unmerited" part, thats the key. If you misquote me and say im says "mercy" when I said "unmerited mecy" it easy to claim I dont understand something..

Yet you refuse to answer any of my questions

https://christianchat.com/threads/p...-of-the-ministry-of-death.212247/post-5136198

I fully understand mercy, as I stated in a prior post I have sinned and need mercy from YHWH.

It is a mercy I don't deserve when I look at YHWH and Yahshua, what they taught, how they behave and what they want from me, I know I fall short, I know I need unmerited mercy. At the same time that does not mean I don;t want to behave in a manner He approves of. Just the oppisite, because I am offered unmerited mercy, I want to in turn live my life for YHWH.

These passages are perfect explanations of what I beleive to be true.

1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear יהוה, and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you.”

and I do not want to insult YHWH.

Hebrews 10:26-31, “For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins, but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents. Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour? For we know Him who has said, “Vengeance is Mine, I shall repay, says יהוה.” And again, “יהוה shall judge His people.” It is fearsome to fall into the hands of the living Elohim.”

My question to you remains, can you answer it?
SpeakTruth101 said:

Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

Can you tell me the meaning of iniquity and why it makes love grow cold?

Non sense, Ive posted this over and over:

Mat 22:36-40, “Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of יהוה and possessing the witness of יהושע Messiah."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Mat 5:18, “For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away (Rev 21:1-2), one yodh – the smallest of the letters – will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected.”

They are ALL Yahshua's words...

Can you say grace? Grace is unmerited favor. Mercy is not receiving what we deserve. Grace is receiving what we don't deserve. Both are unmerited. But God specifically says He deals with His people according to grace. Can you say grace?

It would seem that all of us still fall short of those 2 greatest commandments. We need grace. Only the Son obeyed those 2 commandments fully by offering His life as a Sacrifice for sin, to save us in obedience to the Law and His Father.

We are saved by grace through faith in the Son for forgiveness of our sins by what He did to save us.

Again, more lies.

You started the whole involvement of the usage of the word "destroy" to the discussion.
That is fact... pure and simple.

In Post #276 I questioned you as to why you even brought up the word "destroy"... it wasn't until after that, that I mentioned demons in regard to your continuing obsession with a non-issue.

Regardless, and since you want to stick with your lies, you claim to want to stick to original languages, but continue speaking mostly in English... you only use Hebrew as it suits you. (And I simply ask, why... but you refuse to answer) Please quit being so blatantly dishonest. If you want to stick to original languages, speak only in Aramaic and Greek. (Another site might accommodate that?)

You do not speak, "standing on Scripture"... you thoroughly mock Jesus.