Who Justifieth the Ungodly

... no they're not ... that's just you spouting your erroneous dogma rather than take the time to ferret out what does God mean ... cuz you're a shameful workman who does not rightly divide the word of truth:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.





Again, that God worked out the redemption of mankind in eternity past does not negate the fact that faith on the part of mankind (whosoever believeth) is the means through which God imputes righteousness:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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So you deny the efficasiousness of Christ

... I deny your erroneous dogma ... you incessantly rip verses from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them in your futile attempt to support your erroneous dogma ...



Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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Again you deny the efficasiousness of the death of Christ

... I deny your erroneous dogma ... you incessantly rip verses from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them in your futile attempt to support your erroneous dogma ...



Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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Who Justifieth the Ungodly

Rom 4:5

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 5:6

For when we [The elect] were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

These verses tells us something about the elect ! First that by nature we are ungodly, children of wrath as others..Eph 2:3

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Amen being children of wrath by nature as others is just another way of saying, that we were ungodly..

But one of the Great Gospel doctrines is described in Rom 4:5 is that God justifieth the ungodly..

Now , get this, The elect are Justified before God. by the obedience and righteousness of Jesus christ [Rom 5: 18-19] while we are dead in

tresspasses and sins, while we are by nature children of wrath even as others, and while by lifestyle, ungodly. While we the elect are in this very sinful condition, that we are Justified by Jesus christ blood and clothed in His imputed righteousness, even though we dont know it at the Time, but God knows it , because He is the one who did it..

Rom 8:33-34

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

You see, most false teachers today think that Rom 8 :33 applies to post conversion, but it also applies to pre conversion, for God Justifieth the ungodly, before they are converted..

Thats why its of grace..Titus 3:7

That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Its by grace because of the sinful condtion we are in by nature when we are Justified before God..

I did not even read it, But I think it JESUS

King James Bible
Exodus 23:7, “Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.”


John 5:28-30, “Don't be amazed at this, because the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and will come out—those who have done what is good to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced what is evil to the resurrection of condemnation. I can do nothing on my own accord. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me.”

Justified by God by non imputation!

What do I mean? Those whom nothing can be laid to their charge, namely Gods Elect, of them it's said, it is God that Justified Rom 8:33

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So the non imputation of sins charged equates to God Justifying. The World in 2 Cor 5:19, is a Justified world! 23

King James Bible
Exodus 23:7, “Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.”

John 5:28-30, “Don't be amazed at this, because the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and will come out—those who have done what is good to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced what is evil to the resurrection of condemnation. I can do nothing on my own accord. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me.”

Hi post 3870 did you understand it ? Care to discuss it ?

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ieth-the-ungodly.201619/page-194#post-5135770

Of course. I do ask thet if ou disagree and reply that you discuss everything I post and not isolate certian parts. So 100% it is the Creator YHWH who justifies one or not, one can not claim they are themselves and YHWH suddenly stands down, or if one claims they will be forgiven for their sins or not is up to YHWH, not man. Also all need forgiveness because all have sinned, and there is nothing we can do to earn forgiveness. Earn means to righty obtain, yet there are pre-requsites to obtain, that does not mean earn, it is a mercy that is unmerited.

I see you have isolated some of Paul's writings, ignored the rest of the word and built a doctrine off of that. Everything must be established in the mouth of 2 or more witnesses and understood in unity especially with Yahshua's words, YHWH and Yahshua says His words are Spirit and life and singled out as:

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.” (quote from Deut 18:18-19)

In the same way Paul also has a unique comment about him:

2 Peter 3:15-17, “15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.“

So the Word says

Messiah,.....Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you

Paul also wrote, .....knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless

Now to the subject YHWH does not lie:

Exodus 23:7, “Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.”

Yet how is this? Because repentance. To recieve mercy one must repent. Not earn, recieve.

Acts 2:38-39, “And Kĕpha said to them, “Repent, and let each one of you be immersed in the Name of יהושע Messiah for the forgiveness of sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit. “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are far off, as many as יהוה our Elohim shall call.”

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Luke 13:3-5, “I say to you, no! But unless you repent you shall all perish in the same way. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Shiloaḥ fell and killed them, do you think that they were greater offenders than all other men who dwelt in Yerushalayim? I say to you, no! But unless you repent you shall all perish in the same way.”

Mat 4:17, "From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent... He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed...Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you"

1 John/Yahanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."

1 John/Yahanan 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."

1 John/Yahanan3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

James 1:12, “Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him.”

Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”
To sum it up, all have sinned and need mercy, no one can earn that mercy, it is unmerited mercy, yet it does have per-requisite, faith and repentance. A faith without repentance is impossible, humans can fool each other but none can fool YHWH. When Yahshua says " all who are in their graves will hear his voice and will come out—those who have done what is good to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced what is evil to the resurrection of condemnation" I believe Him, He is not a liar, if anyone thinks that is incorrect it usually comes from 1 of two things 1 - not considering all of Scripture in forming doctrine and/or 2 - isolating something Paul said and rejecting everything else. One last note, when Yahshua says "those who have done what is good to the resurrection of life" they have repented in faith and thus have obtained unmerited mercy.

Jeremiah 17:10, “I, יהוה, search the heart, I try the kidneys, and give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”

SO when Yahshua says this I believe Him, I don;t call the Son of YHWH a liar or disagree with Him. Also I know His words are forever.

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John 5:28-30, “Don't be amazed at this, because the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and will come out—those who have done what is good to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced what is evil to the resurrection of condemnation. I can do nothing on my own accord. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me.”

Non imputation of sin is Justification, the people Christ died for, had their sins imputed to Him, and so in Justice, they cant be imputed to them, hence they are Justified.

I agree with that, howeer it does not make void the rest of the Scriptures.

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Being in Him we can do His will;

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

This thread is about God Justifying the ungodly.

Exodus 23:7,from a false matter thou dost keep far off, and an innocent and righteous man thou dost not slay; for I do not justify a wicked man."

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."