Psalm 27

The English translations can have issues. His Word is perfect. People had what they needed for Salvation. Faith in the Son for forgiveness of sins and to receive Eternal Life.

Now He is opening the Psalms to our understanding to bring more of the billions of people on earth to faith in the Son. Other religions recognize the Psalms as Scriptures. If they understand the Son's actual prayers are revealed in the Psalms which proves He is without question the Messiah, many more may come to faith in Him.

The fact that John 10:18 was mistranslated became an issue in this discussion because people were using it to say the Son raised Himself because of the translation error. The Father raised the Son as many verses tell us as well as His prayers in the Psalms. So the translation error with John 10:18 had to be addressed. He "received" His life back again because of His obedience and faith in His Father and the promise of life in the law to Him for giving His life to save us. His Father raised Him which agrees with His prayers and the rest of Scripture.

c. to learn by use and practice; (in the preterite) to be in the habit of, accustomed to: followed by an infinitive, 1 Timothy 5:; Titus 3:14; Philippians 4:11 (Aeschylus Prom. 1068; Xenophon, an. 3, 2, 25); ἔμαθεν ἀφ' ὧν ἔπαθε τήν ὑπακοήν, Hebrews 5:8 (cf. Winer's Grammar, § 68, 1 and ἀπό, as above). In the difficult passage 1 Timothy 5:13, neither ἀργαί depends upon the verb μανθάνουσι (which would mean they learn to be idle, or learn idleness; so Bretschneider (Lexicon, under the word 2 b.), and Winers Grammar, 347 (325f); (cf. Stallbaum's note and references on Plato's Euthydemus, p. 276 b.)), nor περιερχόμενοι (they learn to go about from house to house, — so the majority of interpreters; for, according to uniform Greek usage, a participle joined to the verb μανθάνειν and belonging to the subject denotes what sort of a person one learns or perceives himself to be, as ἔμαθεν ἔγκυος οὖσα, she perceived herself to be with child, Herodotus 1, 5); but μανθάνειν must be taken absolutely (see a. above) and emphatically, of what they learn by going about from house to house and what it is unseemly for them to know; cf. Bengel ad loc, and Buttmann, § 144, 17; (so Wordsworth, in the place cited). (Compare: καταμανθάνω.)

to keep in mind, too -

Hebrews 5:7
who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications

we are categorically in the context of priesthood - these are offerings by our great Mediator, for our sake



as in John 17, He prays for us, that we may be kept, and be one - - I understand His agony as not over Himself, for the things He came to do, but for us

So other religions recognize scripture but not english speaking chrisrians for the past 500 years?

You think Jesus ceased to exist when He died? Peter says He went to preach victory to those who were disobedient prior to the flood.

Hey, i have an idea. Post your favorite "Who" song.

This view certainly aligns with His particular character trait of selflessness.

The will of our flesh is contrary to God because of sin and deception, neither of which are present in Christ.

Ecclesiastes 7:29
Truly, this only I have found:
That God made man upright,
But they have sought out many schemes.

it is neither wrong nor contrary to abhor death.

death is unnatural, the result of sin.

This point deserves, and perhaps even warrants, more contemplation. Jesus accepted/took death, which was required of us rather than ever of Him except for our sake because our death was, obviously, although sufficient to meet the requirement of the law, was insufficient for life...

...The premise of the claim throughout this thread that Jesus needed 'saved' from death implies death's rightful claim on Him. However, did death have any "power" to take/receive Jesus? Did death have any power to refuse Him? What would the answer to this tell us of the gates of Hell in relation to its locks and keys?

You still don't get it, which is why the same thing has to be repeated over and over and over.

Hebrews 5:7 says He needed to be saved from death, the death He suffered for us.

In order to be fully obedient to the law He had to offer His Life as a Sacrifice for our sins in obedience to His Father and the law, and the commandments to love His neighbor as Himself. We could not save ourselves. Only He could.

He had a promise/commandment of life in the Law specifically to Him that the Man Who kept the Law would live even though He had to die to fully keep the Law. Leviticus 18:5 The translations make it a little hard to understand but it is a promise of life to the Man Who kept the law. He is that Man.

Psalm 119 is His prayer for life because of His obedience to the Law in giving Himself to save us. He asks His Father at least 16 times in the Psalm for Life(haYAH H2421) in the Psalm because of His obedience.

Death had no claim on Him after He was fully obedient in giving His life to save us. He even said when going out to get arrested that the prince of this world had nothing on Him, meaning He was obedient to the Law up to that point and was prepared to now face death to save us in obedience to the law.

He went to the cross as a Man trusting(faith) in His Father's promise of life in the law to Him even though He had to die to fully fulfill and be obedient to the Law, that He would be raised to life again.

By One Man's obedience we are saved.

He was raised by His Father according to the promise of life to Him, showing His complete obedience to the Law and declaring Him with power to be the Son of YAH.

Don't mind trying to sum it up again, at the risk of being accused again of saying the same things over and over like a mantra.

One of the main problems is that you will not accept that His actual prayers are in the Psalms. Since you have come out so strong against that possibility, now it has become a face saver to not admit Psalm 119 is His prayer as well as many other Psalms. Since you cannot admit that now and only look for reasons why it can't be Him praying in various Psalms, you miss out on all that is revealed about Him in His actual prayers.

There's a difference between not getting it and not receiving it. I'm not taking what you're offering. Much like Jesus' offer to save us, He took our death for it, not worried whether He could rise again or not, He had no doubt He would rise again.

Psalm 27 is the Psalm of the High Holidays, Rosh Hashanah (my light), Yom Kippur (my salvation), and Sukkot (my fortress).

Sorry you can't see it or receive it or whatever. Did the best to share it. Maybe in time. More could be saved if they could understand the Son praying in the Psalms.

Worldly sorrow leads to death, but godly sorrow leads to repentance.