Works Complete Faith?

you owe that poster you insulted an apology. but thanks for showing your works.

It is quite odd that you've apparently read my statements on Torah, and would still ask me whether I promote Torah observance. Is that what you're asking me?

He owes everyone here an apology for his indefensible reprehensible stubborn rebellion against truth. The guy deserves to be banned.

And quit being off topic.

don't want to take the time to read through the mountain of your content to find it. don't need to know anything more at this point than what you said to that gentleman. and what you continue to say as in the post above.

you shall know them by their words.

I didn't say "go read it". I said "apparently you've read". Its odd the only post on the subject you've read is the one where I lambasted that liar, and, yet, in your ignorance, you've concluded I'm a bad man. Lol

No, I'm against "Torah observance".

Yeah, yeah, as long as you stay on topic.

Demons believing doesn't refer to a "false" faith--Jesus never promised to save demons by faith, so there is no amount of faith that could save a demon, the point is they also have "faith alone", and they do not have WORKS.

James isn't talking about "true" and "false" faith--when comparing faith to a body, he never mentions a "mannequin", only an incomplete body (without its spirit--dead) and a complete one (with its spirit--living), corresponding to an incomplete faith (without works--dead) and a complete faith (with works--living).

ooooh. thumbs down on each post. how algorithmic.

This "works flow naturally from faith" idea is only necessary for someone who believes in "faith alone" ... but then you read the Bible, and you find that the square peg doesn't fit in the round hole.

You have to do mental gymnastics, and maybe throw in a little mental tarot card reading, to continue holding to your stance in the face of James 2 ("Abraham was justified by works"), or Ro 14:5,23 (Christians who "sin" aren't "justified" but "condemned"), or 1 Co 9:27-1 Co 10 (salvation and the promise can be forfeited through sin).

The Corinthians, also, were living sinfully, but no one doubts they had "true" faith.

James 4 calls his audience "adulteresses" against "God"--on your view, this should not be possible!

James isn't talking about "true" and "false" faith--when comparing faith to a body, he never mentions a "mannequin", only an incomplete body (without its spirit--dead) and a complete one (with its spirit--living), corresponding to an incomplete faith (without works--dead) and a complete faith (with works--living).
Demons believing doesn't refer to a "false" faith--Jesus never promised to save demons by faith, so there is no amount of faith that could save a demon, the point is they also have "faith alone", and they do not have WORKS.
The man who "says he has faith": James is just comparing the persuasive power of his statement against the persuasive power of a life of good works, and asking which one actually glorifies God, so as to move the audience to works, because glorifying God is the point of Christianity.

You're free to choose any of the statements being made to substantiate my view and debunk it. Until then, all you're doing is making noise.

don't care about your view. you already disproved it.

"I disagree with you, but I can't prove why through Scriptures... so, youre a bad man."

Wow, where do I sign up for this belief system's DRIVEL!?

If I can find a single person who holds your view who I THINK has sinned, that disproves your point. Is that how it works? You'd have to be a sinless perfectionist to throw that stone. If not, you're in a glass home so you really oughtn't.

It was for the benefit of others. Thank you for setting it straight.

OK so please be on topic going forward. I invite your reasoned objections.

Setting it straight as in still standing by the "detestable" things you said to him and reiterated again. You can't trash someone in one thread and then go back to your own and act like it never happened.

My word! Art thou casting such aspersions as "detestable"!?


Make a point or keep moving. You've derailed this thread long enough.

Your word. just quoting you.

Sounds great! Now, keep moving if you don't have a point to make! Thanks!

It was a response to someone who used the example of actions. Oops...you didn't pay attention to the reference.