Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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what's crazy, in the 1940s to 1990s, bible scholars and theologians, would take it upon themselves, as if they completely understood Hebrew, and brought out a bunch of junk Tanakh's.

thankfully, the Jews, they keep immaculate record keeping, and we always have the Truth from them.
 
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but anyways, this Verse:
22 God has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness. כבאֵ֖ל מֽוֹצִיאָ֣ם מִמִּצְרָ֑יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם לֽוֹ:
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the kjv translators using unicorn here, were Complete IDIOTS, and that is being "nice" about it.
 

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22 God has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness. כבאֵ֖ל מֽוֹצִיאָ֣ם מִמִּצְרָ֑יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם לֽוֹ:
And what makes you think that is the correct manuscript. Others say this...

God
אֵ֚ל (’êl)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 410: Strength -- as adjective, mighty, the Almighty

brought him
מוֹצִיא֣וֹ (mō·w·ṣî·’ōw)
Verb - Hifil - Participle - masculine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 3318: To go, bring, out, direct and proxim

out of Egypt
מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם (mim·miṣ·ra·yim)
Preposition-m | Noun - proper - feminine singular
Strong's 4714: Egypt -- a son of Ham, also his descendants and their country in Northwest Africa

with strength
כְּתוֹעֲפֹ֥ת (kə·ṯō·w·‘ă·p̄ōṯ)
Preposition-k | Noun - feminine plural construct
Strong's 8443: Weariness, toil, speed

like a wild ox,
רְאֵ֖ם (rə·’êm)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 7214: A wild bull

to devour
יֹאכַ֞ל (yō·ḵal)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 398: To eat

hostile
צָרָ֗יו (ṣā·rāw)
Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 6862: Narrow, a tight place, a pebble, an opponent

nations
גּוֹיִ֣ם (gō·w·yim)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 1471: A foreign nation, a Gentile, a troop of animals, a flight of locusts

and crush
יְגָרֵ֖ם (yə·ḡā·rêm)
Verb - Piel - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 1633: To bone, denude, the bones

their bones,
וְעַצְמֹתֵיהֶ֛ם (wə·‘aṣ·mō·ṯê·hem)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - feminine plural construct | third person masculine plural
Strong's 6106: A bone, the body, the substance, selfsame

to pierce them
יִמְחָֽץ׃ (yim·ḥāṣ)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 4272: To dash asunder, to crush, smash, violently plunge, to subdue, destroy

with arrows.
וְחִצָּ֥יו (wə·ḥiṣ·ṣāw)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 2671: A piercer, an arrow, a wound, thunderbolt, the shaft of a, spear
 
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And what makes you think that is the correct manuscript. Others say this...

God
אֵ֚ל (’êl)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 410: Strength -- as adjective, mighty, the Almighty

brought him
מוֹצִיא֣וֹ (mō·w·ṣî·’ōw)
Verb - Hifil - Participle - masculine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 3318: To go, bring, out, direct and proxim

out of Egypt
מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם (mim·miṣ·ra·yim)
Preposition-m | Noun - proper - feminine singular
Strong's 4714: Egypt -- a son of Ham, also his descendants and their country in Northwest Africa

with strength
כְּתוֹעֲפֹ֥ת (kə·ṯō·w·‘ă·p̄ōṯ)
Preposition-k | Noun - feminine plural construct
Strong's 8443: Weariness, toil, speed

like a wild ox,
רְאֵ֖ם (rə·’êm)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 7214: A wild bull

to devour
יֹאכַ֞ל (yō·ḵal)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 398: To eat

hostile
צָרָ֗יו (ṣā·rāw)
Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 6862: Narrow, a tight place, a pebble, an opponent

nations
גּוֹיִ֣ם (gō·w·yim)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 1471: A foreign nation, a Gentile, a troop of animals, a flight of locusts

and crush
יְגָרֵ֖ם (yə·ḡā·rêm)
Verb - Piel - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 1633: To bone, denude, the bones

their bones,
וְעַצְמֹתֵיהֶ֛ם (wə·‘aṣ·mō·ṯê·hem)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - feminine plural construct | third person masculine plural
Strong's 6106: A bone, the body, the substance, selfsame

to pierce them
יִמְחָֽץ׃ (yim·ḥāṣ)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 4272: To dash asunder, to crush, smash, violently plunge, to subdue, destroy

with arrows.
וְחִצָּ֥יו (wə·ḥiṣ·ṣāw)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 2671: A piercer, an arrow, a wound, thunderbolt, the shaft of a, spear
because my Version is Hebrew.
your Version is the ungodly Septuagint, that tried to copy the Hebrew and translate it.


but what is WILD HERE, aside from you ACTING like you got a clue, is the Old Testament Greek is Hellenized and New Testament is Koine. they are not even same Greek. and the Hellenized is MYTH GREEK, which is why you got UNICORNS in your Bible and i don't!
 

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because my Version is Hebrew.
your Version is the ungodly Septuagint, that tried to copy the Hebrew and translate it.


but what is WILD HERE, aside from you ACTING like you got a clue, is the Old Testament Greek is Hellenized and New Testament is Koine. they are not even same Greek. and the Hellenized is MYTH GREEK, which is why you got UNICORNS in your Bible and i don't!
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I sent you Hebrew, not Greek. This passage is from Numbers 24:8. It's from the Hebrew old testament! So what makes you think your manuscripts are correct?
 
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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I sent you Hebrew, not Greek. This passage is from Numbers 24:8. It's from the Hebrew old testament! So what makes you think your manuscripts are correct?
because, yours is a Version of the scholars and theologians and mine comes from being a Jew and having access:

8 God, Who has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness He shall consume the nations which are his adversaries, bare their bones and dip His arrows [into their blood]. חאֵ֚ל מֽוֹצִיא֣וֹ מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם ל֑וֹ יֹאכַ֞ל גּוֹיִ֣ם צָרָ֗יו וְעַצְמֹֽתֵיהֶ֛ם יְגָרֵ֖ם וְחִצָּ֥יו יִמְחָֽץ:
 

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You do realize dragon is in the bible too... a mythical creature.

A dragon in the Greek is a large snake. They are not mythical.

G1404
δράκων
drakōn
Thayer Definition:
1) a dragon, a great serpent, a name for Satan
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: probably from an alternate form of derkomai (to look)
 

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because, yours is a Version of the scholars and theologians and mine comes from being a Jew and having access:

8 God, Who has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness He shall consume the nations which are his adversaries, bare their bones and dip His arrows [into their blood]. חאֵ֚ל מֽוֹצִיא֣וֹ מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם ל֑וֹ יֹאכַ֞ל גּוֹיִ֣ם צָרָ֗יו וְעַצְמֹֽתֵיהֶ֛ם יְגָרֵ֖ם וְחִצָּ֥יו יִמְחָֽץ:
Unless you were alive at the time of the bible you have no claim to knowing the truth. You think oral tradition in the modern day is more reliable than written manuscript from thousands of years ago?
 
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Unless you were alive at the time of the bible you have no claim to knowing the truth. You think oral tradition in the modern day is more reliable than written manuscript from thousands of years ago?
don't make an argument when it is clear to EVERYONE you only have access to "google search." get over it. you will never have access to the real Tanakh's that can be traced back to the Temple and Synagogues of Jesus' Day!
 
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No. A unicorn means an animal with one horn. The animal in question was thought to be a Rhinoceros, which has one horn.
true about the possibility with unicorn.
but the Hebrew uses God's Loftiness, not a comparison to an animal, myth or not.
 

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don't make an argument when it is clear to EVERYONE you only have access to "google search." get over it. you will never have access to the real Tanakh that can be traced back to the Temple and Synagogues of Jesus' Day!
So now you're claiming some kind of secret access to manuscripts that nobody else can access? You realize there are pictures online of all the ancient manuscripts (400,000+ of them). So again, which manuscript are you using? Do you have the name/number? How old is it?
 
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So now you're claiming some kind of secret access to manuscripts that nobody else can access? You realize there are pictures online of all the ancient manuscripts (400,000+ of them). So again, which manuscript are you using? Do you have the name/number? How old is it?
considering the sofers [scribes] kept record after record, copy after copy, the real Tanakh, can be traced back to theoretically speaking, Moses, when he was given the Torah. even the Vatican has 1 of the 7 that is claimed to be in existence during the time of Christ, and the Rabbi's now prepping for the 3rd Temple are using 1 of the other 6. and those Copies were copied and copied so most Jewish Synagogues Today have access.
 

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considering the sofers [scribes] kept record after record, copy after copy, the real Tanakh, can be traced back to theoretically speaking, Moses, when he was given the Torah. even the Vatican has 1 of the 7 that is claimed to be in existence during the time of Christ, and the Rabbi's now prepping for the 3rd Temple are using 1 of the other 6. and those Copies were copied and copied so most Jewish Synagogues Today have access.
Is there a picture or copy of it available online?
 

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considering the sofers [scribes] kept record after record, copy after copy, the real Tanakh, can be traced back to theoretically speaking, Moses, when he was given the Torah. even the Vatican has 1 of the 7 that is claimed to be in existence during the time of Christ, and the Rabbi's now prepping for the 3rd Temple are using 1 of the other 6. and those Copies were copied and copied so most Jewish Synagogues Today have access.
Here is what I found on a Jewish library website:

"8 G-d who brought him forth out of Egypt is for him like the lofty horns of the wild-ox; he shall eat up the nations that are his adversaries, and shall break their bones in pieces, and pierce them through with his arrows."

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.or... who brought him,them through with his arrows.
 

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The message of the bible will be fulfilled (the obvious and the hidden) whether you like it or not.
Throughout the course of history, neither Jesus, his prophets, his apostles, nor his disciples ever needed a "secret message"...whether you like it or not.
 

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Throughout the course of history, neither Jesus, his prophets, his apostles, nor his disciples ever needed a "secret message"...whether you like it or not.
Perhaps if @NTNT58 were to substitute “additional depth” for “secret message” in the OP, people would better understand what the thread was discussing?
 

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Throughout the course of history, neither Jesus, his prophets, his apostles, nor his disciples ever needed a "secret message"...whether you like it or not.
The very idea of parables proves you wrong.

Mathew 13:10-13: And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
 

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The very idea of parables proves you wrong.

Mathew 13:10-13: And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
This has nothing at all to do with some sort of Bible code.

Seriously, take your traveling show elsewhere.