Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

That verse refers to unbelievers, not disagreements between believers. Everyone claims they are the ones who have the true understanding of the word of God, but most contradict each other, so that's the point of this discussion, to find the truth.

That's just your opinion, and you provided no evidence to support it. Wrong as usual. All opinions and never any proof.

I agree with what you said here. But we wouldn’t know this without the word (Scripture) telling us this. But I have been rereading the chapter several times now with an open mind and I can see how you can interpret verse 7 as referring only to the godly and needy. But I can also equally read it to also include the pure words of the Lord in the immediate context, too.



To a great degree… yes. God’s grace is amazing. However, we have to endure to the end to be saved in the end. There is also Sanctification which involves my continued cooperation. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Galatians 6:8-9, Romans 8:13, and 2 Corinthians 7:1. Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).

That’s why I believe there is one perfect Word of God I can trust today. Granted, I do use Modern Translations to help update the 1600s English in the KJB, but Modern Bibles are not my final word of authority because they teach false doctrines. I have already gave an example of that in this thread. Granted, there is a lot more examples in my write up that I hope to finish in the Spring.

I am Core KJB and not KJV only.

And we can only know his promises by His Word. If we could not trust His word because it has errors in it, then how could we trust God’s promises?

That fallacy has nothing to do with asking a question over and over again, you don't even know what you're talking about. It's about making an assumption when asking the question, sort of like a strawman argument.

That verse refers to unbelievers, not disagreements between believers. Everyone claims they are the ones who have the true understanding of the word of God, but most contradict each other, so that's the point of this discussion, to find the truth.

We all believe that God’s word is eternal and has been preserved for us throughout time.

Textual Critics or Original Onlyists do not believe this is the case with Scripture or the Bible we have today.

Quote any person who says this.

We very much appreciate what you’re saying regarding God’s Word. We’re not disagreeing that the Word of God is one of our Father’s most beloved and precious gifts to us. We live by these words! …
but … please just consider …

Matthew Henry’s Bible Commentary (concise)
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The psalmist begs help of God, because there were none among men whom he durst trust.
This psalm furnishes good thoughts for bad times; a man may comfort himself with such meditations and prayers. Let us see what makes the times bad, and when they may be said to be so. Ask the children of this world, What makes the times bad? they will tell you, Scarcity of money, decay of trade, and the desolations of war, make the times bad: but the Scripture lays the badness of the times on causes of another nature, 2 Timothy 3:1, & c.: perilous times shall come, for sin shall abound; and of this David complains. When piety decays times really are bad. He who made man's mouth will call him to an account for his proud, profane, dissembling, or even useless words. When the poor and needy are oppressed, then the times are very bad. God himself takes notice of the oppression of the poor, and the sighing of the needy. When wickedness abounds, and is countenanced by those in authority, then the times are very bad. See with what good things we are here furnished for such bad times; and we cannot tell what times we may be reserved for. 1. We have a God to go to, from whom we may ask and expect the redress of all our grievances. 2. God will certainly punish and restrain false and proud men. 3. God will work deliverance for his oppressed people. His help is given in the fittest time. Though men are false, God is faithful; though they are not to be trusted, God is. The preciousness of God's word is compared to silver refined to the highest degree. How many proofs have been given of its power and truth! God will secure his chosen remnant, however bad the times are. As long as the world stands, there will be a generation of proud and wicked men. But all God's people are put into the hands of Christ our Saviour; there they are in safety, for none can pluck them thence; being built on Him, the Rock, they are safe, notwithstanding temptation or persecution come with ever so much force upon them.
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"If it's not 100% accurate then it's not preserved by God because God is perfect and would not allow his word to be corrupted."

We very much appreciate what you’re saying regarding God’s Word. We’re not disagreeing that the Word of God is one of our Father’s most beloved and precious gifts to us. We live by these words! …
but … please just consider …

Matthew Henry’s Bible Commentary (concise)
<< Psalm 11 | Psalm 12 | Psalm 13 >>
(Read all of Psalm 12)
Complete Concise

Chapter Contents
The psalmist begs help of God, because there were none among men whom he durst trust.
This psalm furnishes good thoughts for bad times; a man may comfort himself with such meditations and prayers. Let us see what makes the times bad, and when they may be said to be so. Ask the children of this world, What makes the times bad? they will tell you, Scarcity of money, decay of trade, and the desolations of war, make the times bad: but the Scripture lays the badness of the times on causes of another nature, 2 Timothy 3:1, & c.: perilous times shall come, for sin shall abound; and of this David complains. When piety decays times really are bad. He who made man's mouth will call him to an account for his proud, profane, dissembling, or even useless words. When the poor and needy are oppressed, then the times are very bad. God himself takes notice of the oppression of the poor, and the sighing of the needy. When wickedness abounds, and is countenanced by those in authority, then the times are very bad. See with what good things we are here furnished for such bad times; and we cannot tell what times we may be reserved for. 1. We have a God to go to, from whom we may ask and expect the redress of all our grievances. 2. God will certainly punish and restrain false and proud men. 3. God will work deliverance for his oppressed people. His help is given in the fittest time. Though men are false, God is faithful; though they are not to be trusted, God is. The preciousness of God's word is compared to silver refined to the highest degree. How many proofs have been given of its power and truth! God will secure his chosen remnant, however bad the times are. As long as the world stands, there will be a generation of proud and wicked men. But all God's people are put into the hands of Christ our Saviour; there they are in safety, for none can pluck them thence; being built on Him, the Rock, they are safe, notwithstanding temptation or persecution come with ever so much force upon them.
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Recently I came across this video on Youtube where the guy uses software to count number of occurrences of certain words in the bible and the King James version is just FILLED completely with all kinds of secret messages.


I downloaded the software (King James Pure Bible Search) and went to work... so far I found prophet Muhammad's birth and death year

I looked up all occurrences and variations of the words false, prophet and Ishmaelite. I got 633 occurences in 570 verses.

false|falsely|falsehood
prophet|prophet's|prophets|
ishmaelite|ishmael|ishmael's|ishmaelites

Now I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.

The guy's Youtube channel has a lot of other videos with countless other encoded formulas that make it just about impossible to dismiss the whole thing as coincidence or conspiracy.

John 14:26 NKJV

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

I have changed on 21 things theologically over the years. I even changed on an interpretation on a verse in Romans by one who was extremely hostile and mean towards me. Their interpretation was correct despite my disagreement with their behavior. So I can see now how Psalms 12:6-7 is primarily focused on saying how God is keeping His saints. But we trust that He will keep His saints because the words of the LORD are pure words and are trustworthy. His pure words will not pass away whereby we would not know about this truth. Granted, I will admit that Psalms 12:6-7 may sound like it is a direct way of saying that He is keeping His words perfectly. If we were to read only verses 6-7, we would get this impression. But looking at the whole counsel of God’s Word, I know that Jesus talked about jots and tittles and that Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but His words will not pass away.



And we know this by the Communicated Word.



There are corrupt doctrines in Modern Translations.

See my post #994 for a small sampling.

But the KJV is not corrupt. It is without error and perfect.

For us today: This would only be truth guided by His word (Scripture or the Bible). But yes. The Anointing can teach us the truth. Albeit this would be by the Bible and not by our own thoughts, or dreams, visions, etcetera.

No, Pharisees were heretics and apostates as well, but Jesus still told everyone to obey them in Mathew 23:3. Our spiritual authority is God and his word, but we also have physical worldly authority that we are to follow according to Romans 13:1. Do you disobey the laws of your country when you can get away with it?

What you consider ‘proof’ for your claims isn’t proof anyway, so why bother?

Um… you’re incorrect as well.

"Begging the question fallacy is a logical fallacy in which an argument’s premises assume the truth of the conclusion. It is also known as petitio principii or circular reasoning. This fallacy occurs when an argument’s premise depends on or is equivalent to the argument’s conclusion. It is an attempt to prove something is true while simultaneously taking that same thing for granted." (Bing from several primary sources).

If your aim is to "find the truth", why do you keep arguing on behalf of the RCC? You've become just another person with a contradictory opinion.

Sounds like Bible code.

Carefully read the words of the Bible, they are very complex and simple. When you are blind, you cannot understand anything. When you wipe your eyes,Oh.... I see.

You completely missed the point. My argument doesn't contradict itself any more than Mathew 23:3 contradicts itself. All authority is sanctioned by God whether you like it or not. I provided biblical proof for RCC authority, while you provided nothing except "I'm right and you're wrong".

This is your "begging the question" logical fallacy.