I was wondering who believes you can get unsaved.
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Mt 10: 33: But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Gal 5: 4: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Heb 6: 4-6: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
2 Thes 2: 3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
1 Tim 4: 1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Rom 11: 20-22: Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Mt 12: 31-32: Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Rev 22: 19: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
2 Pet 2: 20-21: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
1 Jn 5: 16-17: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Try not to get upset about it or be emotional like your posts suggests being all capitals and bold. Fact is, free will is not taught in the Bible. This does not however mean that we are not to make choices and do not suffer the consequences of our choices. What the Bible actually teaches is that man is a slave to sin until God moves in a person's life to free them. Many people get all outraged when these things are pointed out to them, and they call those who say such things, and God as well, all kinds of names because of it. Many many many verses support what I am telling you, to the point where we are specifically told it is not by man's desire or effort at all but by God's mercy.
1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16 What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16 What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
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Good question. Here are some good answers.
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What Are We To Overcome? If there’s Predestination, How much evil does God have?
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Free Will Is Existence! The lie of Satan is the same as Calvinism and Arminianism
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More answers.....
- Tie Sodom And Flood Together?! There are things you did not know about these
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- God Weeps For The Lost! Therefore, Predestination is false, and The Ark is Christ!
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Is God A Liar And A Murderer? That is Satan’s lie... but how do Calvinists respond?
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God Allows Evil! Why? Because it’s the right thing to do. He gave us Free Will!
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The God Of Freedom! He cannot be the God of Predestination and no freedom!
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Is God Evil? Is Jesus Evil? If He cannot have evil thoughts, does He determine evil?
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What Are We To Overcome? If there’s Predestination, How much evil does God have?
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Satan’s Lie... Hedge And Kiss? And, Calvinists can’t answer Time and Consciousness
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Michael Can Defeat Satan. How? What does that have to do with the errors of Calvinism
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Satan Corrupted Himself. He wants to hurt God... make Him weep, but how?
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Is Satan Telling The Truth? No. He never makes that mistake. He never tells the truth
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Flat Earth and Satan's Lie. God does not preselect those who will respond to gospel
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Did God Create Us Evil? Why Does God Hide? Who Blasphemed the Holy Spirit?
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Free Will Is Existence! The lie of Satan is the same as Calvinism and Arminianism
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Total Inability... Truth? And we get there from, How is it that Satan didn't know?
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The natural man and fools are characterized as, or known for:
1. being wicked (2 Samuel 13:13; Psalm 94:3,8)
2. mockers of God (Psalm 74:22)
3. not understanding their bleak eternal destiny (Psalm 92:6)
4. being rebellious (Psalm 107:17)
5. despising spiritual wisdom (Proverbs 1:7)
6. hating spiritual knowledge (Proverbs 1:22)
7. mockers delighting in mockiery (Proverbs 1:22)
8. being wayward and complacent (Proverbs 1:32)
9. being wicked and held up to shame by God (Proverbs 3:33,35)
10. dying for their lack of knowledge (Proverbs 10:21)
11. having hearts that blurt out folly (Proverbs 12:23)
12. detesting the thought to turn away from evil (Proverbs 13:19)
13. bringing harm to their companions (Proverbs 13:20)
14. folly in their heart that is deception (Proverbs 14:8)
15. mockers at making amends for their sins (Proverbs 14:9)
16. known for their folly that only yields folly (Proverbs 14:24)
17. not spreading true [spiritual] knowledge (Proverbs15:7)
18. their folly that brings them punishment (Proverbs 16:22)
20. being ignorant of their wrong-doings (Ecclesiastes 5:1)
21. being unpleasing to God (Ecclesiastes 5:4)
22. having hearts that are in the house of pleasure (Ecclesiastes7:4)
23. their laughter as being meaningless (Ecclesiastes 7:6)
24. their anger residing in their laps (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
25. thinking of themselves as wise counsellors but only giving senseless advice (Isaiah 19:11)
26. not being willing to walk in the Way of Holiness (Isaiah 35:8)
27. not knowing God (Jeremiah 4:22)
28. being false prophets (Jeremiah 50:36)
29. being equated with the wicked (1 Samuel 25:25)
30. at times for recognizing themselves as being great sinners (1 Samuel 26:21)
31. resentment or envy slaying them (Job 5:2)
31. denying the existence of God (Psalm 14:1; 53:1)
32. their chattering that bring them to ruin (Proverbs 10:10,14)
33. the spreaders of slander (Proverbs 10:18)
34. finding pleasure in evil conduct (Proverbs 10:23)
35. choosing a way that seems right to them and ignoring good advice (Proverbs 12:15)
36. angering quickly (Proverbs 12:16; 20:3; 29:11)
37. exposing their own folly (Proverbs 13:16)
38. being hotheaded and reckless (Proverbs 14:16)
39. having mouths that gush folly (Proverbs 15:2)
40. having mouths that feed on folly (Proverbs 15:14)
41. spurning their father's discipline (Proverbs 15:5)
42. having no desire to get wisdom (Proverbs 17:16)
43. finding no pleasure in understanding (Proverbs 18:2)
44. delighting in airing their own opinions (Proverbs 18:2)
45. having perverse lips (Proverbs 19:1)
46. scorning the wisdom of wise words if the wise speak to them (Proverbs23:9)
47. their proverbs being as useless as a lame man's legs hanging limp (Proverbs 26:7).
48. a dog that returns to its vomit when it repeats its folly (Proverbs 26:11)
49. their provocation which is heavier than stone and sand (Proverbs 27:3)
50. their great reluctance in removing their folly from themselves (Proverbs 27:22)
51. trusting in themselves (Proverbs 28:26)
52. raging and scoffing at the wise man with whom he goes to court (Proverbs 29:9)
53. playing the fool, exalting themselves or planning evil (Proverbs 30:32)
54. walking in the darkness (Ecclesiastes 2:14)
55. folding their hands and bringing ruin to themselves (Ecclesiastes 4:5)
56. their speech pours out many words (Ecclesiastes 5:3)
57. lacking sense and showing everyone how stupid they are (Ecclesiastes 10:13)
58. being consumed by their own lips (Ecclesiastes 10:12)
59. multiplying their own words (Ecclesiastes 10:14)
60. speaking folly (Isaiah 32:6)
61. their minds being busy with evil (Isaiah 32:6)
62. practicing ungodliness and spreading error concerning the Lord (Isaiah 32:6)
63. leaving the hungry empty and withholding water from the thirsty (Isaiah 32:6)
64. gaining riches by unjust gains (Jer 17:11)
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1. being wicked (2 Samuel 13:13; Psalm 94:3,8)
2. mockers of God (Psalm 74:22)
3. not understanding their bleak eternal destiny (Psalm 92:6)
4. being rebellious (Psalm 107:17)
5. despising spiritual wisdom (Proverbs 1:7)
6. hating spiritual knowledge (Proverbs 1:22)
7. mockers delighting in mockiery (Proverbs 1:22)
8. being wayward and complacent (Proverbs 1:32)
9. being wicked and held up to shame by God (Proverbs 3:33,35)
10. dying for their lack of knowledge (Proverbs 10:21)
11. having hearts that blurt out folly (Proverbs 12:23)
12. detesting the thought to turn away from evil (Proverbs 13:19)
13. bringing harm to their companions (Proverbs 13:20)
14. folly in their heart that is deception (Proverbs 14:8)
15. mockers at making amends for their sins (Proverbs 14:9)
16. known for their folly that only yields folly (Proverbs 14:24)
17. not spreading true [spiritual] knowledge (Proverbs15:7)
18. their folly that brings them punishment (Proverbs 16:22)
20. being ignorant of their wrong-doings (Ecclesiastes 5:1)
21. being unpleasing to God (Ecclesiastes 5:4)
22. having hearts that are in the house of pleasure (Ecclesiastes7:4)
23. their laughter as being meaningless (Ecclesiastes 7:6)
24. their anger residing in their laps (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
25. thinking of themselves as wise counsellors but only giving senseless advice (Isaiah 19:11)
26. not being willing to walk in the Way of Holiness (Isaiah 35:8)
27. not knowing God (Jeremiah 4:22)
28. being false prophets (Jeremiah 50:36)
29. being equated with the wicked (1 Samuel 25:25)
30. at times for recognizing themselves as being great sinners (1 Samuel 26:21)
31. resentment or envy slaying them (Job 5:2)
31. denying the existence of God (Psalm 14:1; 53:1)
32. their chattering that bring them to ruin (Proverbs 10:10,14)
33. the spreaders of slander (Proverbs 10:18)
34. finding pleasure in evil conduct (Proverbs 10:23)
35. choosing a way that seems right to them and ignoring good advice (Proverbs 12:15)
36. angering quickly (Proverbs 12:16; 20:3; 29:11)
37. exposing their own folly (Proverbs 13:16)
38. being hotheaded and reckless (Proverbs 14:16)
39. having mouths that gush folly (Proverbs 15:2)
40. having mouths that feed on folly (Proverbs 15:14)
41. spurning their father's discipline (Proverbs 15:5)
42. having no desire to get wisdom (Proverbs 17:16)
43. finding no pleasure in understanding (Proverbs 18:2)
44. delighting in airing their own opinions (Proverbs 18:2)
45. having perverse lips (Proverbs 19:1)
46. scorning the wisdom of wise words if the wise speak to them (Proverbs23:9)
47. their proverbs being as useless as a lame man's legs hanging limp (Proverbs 26:7).
48. a dog that returns to its vomit when it repeats its folly (Proverbs 26:11)
49. their provocation which is heavier than stone and sand (Proverbs 27:3)
50. their great reluctance in removing their folly from themselves (Proverbs 27:22)
51. trusting in themselves (Proverbs 28:26)
52. raging and scoffing at the wise man with whom he goes to court (Proverbs 29:9)
53. playing the fool, exalting themselves or planning evil (Proverbs 30:32)
54. walking in the darkness (Ecclesiastes 2:14)
55. folding their hands and bringing ruin to themselves (Ecclesiastes 4:5)
56. their speech pours out many words (Ecclesiastes 5:3)
57. lacking sense and showing everyone how stupid they are (Ecclesiastes 10:13)
58. being consumed by their own lips (Ecclesiastes 10:12)
59. multiplying their own words (Ecclesiastes 10:14)
60. speaking folly (Isaiah 32:6)
61. their minds being busy with evil (Isaiah 32:6)
62. practicing ungodliness and spreading error concerning the Lord (Isaiah 32:6)
63. leaving the hungry empty and withholding water from the thirsty (Isaiah 32:6)
64. gaining riches by unjust gains (Jer 17:11)
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We definitely do have free choice and free will. No doubt about it.
Integrated into creation, and so declared FROM BEGINNING TO END.
Anyone may "come". And they did. Rahab did. The Gibeonite Hivites did. The Ninevites did. The widow of Zarephath did.
The Matt 15 Syrophenician woman of Canaan did. The adulterous Samaritan woman at the well did.
God turns down.....NOBODY who sincerely asks Him for His salvation. Nobody.
BUT.....you have to ask!
Gen 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Rev 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Integrated into creation, and so declared FROM BEGINNING TO END.
Anyone may "come". And they did. Rahab did. The Gibeonite Hivites did. The Ninevites did. The widow of Zarephath did.
The Matt 15 Syrophenician woman of Canaan did. The adulterous Samaritan woman at the well did.
God turns down.....NOBODY who sincerely asks Him for His salvation. Nobody.
BUT.....you have to ask!
Gen 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Rev 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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Well; I recommend that folks get themselves rescued from the wrath of God
at least once before they pass on instead of never at all because debating about
saved/unsaved is kind of meaningless when people aren't saved to begin with.
That would be sort of like somebody attempting to take their shoes off without
first putting them on.
● Ps 34:8 . .Taste and see that The Lord is good; blessed is the man who
takes refuge in Him.
FAQ: How might one go about taking refuge in Him?
REPLY: Find a quiet place; anywhere will do. Cover you face with your hands
for a sense of connection, and tell God-- under your breath or out loud if you
like --that you have never yet measured up to His standards and you're
pretty sure you never will. Tell Him you would like to take advantage of His
son's death to protect yourself from judgment.
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Well; I recommend that folks get themselves rescued from the wrath of God
at least once before they pass on instead of never at all because debating about
saved/unsaved is kind of meaningless when people aren't saved to begin with.
That would be sort of like somebody attempting to take their shoes off without
first putting them on.
● Ps 34:8 . .Taste and see that The Lord is good; blessed is the man who
takes refuge in Him.
FAQ: How might one go about taking refuge in Him?
REPLY: Find a quiet place; anywhere will do. Cover you face with your hands
for a sense of connection, and tell God-- under your breath or out loud if you
like --that you have never yet measured up to His standards and you're
pretty sure you never will. Tell Him you would like to take advantage of His
son's death to protect yourself from judgment.
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Yes, However, It Is GOD Who Wants All of His children to have Assurance Of ETERNAL Salvation
The Finished Work Of The Wonderful Saviour and Redeemer, On The Cross!!!
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All The Scriptures That Perfectly Harmonize With God's "Greatest GIFT" to "whosoever Will",
and Eternally Receiving, From The "God Of ALL Truth", ALL Of The Following, eh?:
God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
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God's Eternal Life Assurance!!
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God's Eternal Life Insurance!!!
May ALL humble students of God's Word Of Truth Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In The ETERNAL God, The Lord Jesus Christ, And In His Holy Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! **
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Amen.
** Ends a LOT of the Confusion today!:
The Very Moment "they truly Believe On HIM"! - FOR:
Excellent, The EMPHASIS Of God, In His Word Of Truth, Is About: The Finished Work Of The Wonderful Saviour and Redeemer, On The Cross!!!
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All The Scriptures That Perfectly Harmonize With God's "Greatest GIFT" to "whosoever Will",
and Eternally Receiving, From The "God Of ALL Truth", ALL Of The Following, eh?:
God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)
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God's Eternal Life Assurance!!
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God's Eternal Life Insurance!!!
May ALL humble students of God's Word Of Truth Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In The ETERNAL God, The Lord Jesus Christ, And In His Holy Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! **
Of ↓ ↑↓ ↑↓ ↑↓ ↑↓ ↑↓ ↑↓ ↑↓ ↑↓ ↑↓ ↑ Of:
Amen.
** Ends a LOT of the Confusion today!:
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I believe in eternal security myself.
But I've heard (and read) some say that although your salvation can't be "taken" from you, you can willingly forfeit it.
We cannot save ourselves and likewise we cannot "unsave" ourselves either.
Oh and just because we are unable to save ourselves by our own efforts doesn't mean that we don't have free will/free choice.
But I've heard (and read) some say that although your salvation can't be "taken" from you, you can willingly forfeit it.
We cannot save ourselves and likewise we cannot "unsave" ourselves either.
Oh and just because we are unable to save ourselves by our own efforts doesn't mean that we don't have free will/free choice.
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I put my trust in GOD to keep me based on Ephesians 2:8,9 'For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD, not of works, lest anyone should boast.' This right here tells me that my salvation is from GOD, because it's a gift I can't lose it. It's not by anything I have done so if I can't earn it how can I lose it.
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● Heb 6:1-8 . .Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ
and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from
acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the
laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And
God permitting, we will do so.
. . For It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have
tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have
tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if
they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they
are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public
disgrace.
. . Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful
to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that
produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In
the end it will be burned.
An outstanding example of the above is Judas. He was given every
advantage a person could possibly be given relative to strengthening one's
faith in Christ and still thought little of him. And what was Judas' one regret?
That he was an apostate? That he was unfaithful to the Son of God? No, his
regret was that he sold out an innocent man.
How someone could live and work side by side with Jesus for three years and
still be so indifferent I just don't know. Folks like Judas are an enigma.
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● Heb 6:1-8 . .Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ
and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from
acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the
laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And
God permitting, we will do so.
. . For It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have
tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have
tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if
they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they
are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public
disgrace.
. . Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful
to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that
produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In
the end it will be burned.
An outstanding example of the above is Judas. He was given every
advantage a person could possibly be given relative to strengthening one's
faith in Christ and still thought little of him. And what was Judas' one regret?
That he was an apostate? That he was unfaithful to the Son of God? No, his
regret was that he sold out an innocent man.
How someone could live and work side by side with Jesus for three years and
still be so indifferent I just don't know. Folks like Judas are an enigma.
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I was baptized an infant into Catholicism and anon attended enough
catechism to complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation. As a result,
I was 110% confident that the RCC is the one true church; and that its
beliefs and practices are infallible. I also sincerely believed that all non
Catholics are on a road straight to Hell; no exceptions.
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