the Sabbath

Talk about splitting hairs.

No Jew but an Israelite?

How about no Israelite, Jew, or Greek in Christ?

You and I do not read the two chapters of Romans 2,3 the same way.

Paul is talking to the Jews and explaining the Jewish position, it is not about the Gentiles.

Romans 2:24
For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

Paul is not talking to you. Your theology collapses because you misunderstood Romans.

Are Jews mentioned in the Revelation? Only negatively. But the Israel is mentioned, as well as Jerusalem and Zion

Quite the contrary Cameron, if you follow and love Christ, you will want to follow him, do what he asks of us that is for one thing to follow the commandments he was teaching, you know this yourself as you told me twice you follow the commandments and you do well to do so. they are simple and not a burden but a blessing, they set us free from sin and set us apart as God's people.

Blessings.

I also told you not in the way you suspect. I have never gotten up in the morning and asked God to help me to keep the commandments. I have asked Him to keep me focused on Him, to keep me walking in His Spirit, to keep my mind and heart stayed upon Him. In short, that I would be consumed in and by Him. That my thoughts would be His thoughts. That my actions would reflect His glory.

This is very different than having my heart and mind stayed upon the law. I'm not talking to the law all day. I am trying to interact with God all day.

This is what you stated.

What you wrote is utterly wrong.

The 10 commandments (the law) does not set you free from sin.

The 10 commandments only grant you the knowledge of your sinfulness.

The 10 commandments do not grant any righteousness they only condemn.

The 10 commandments do not set you apart from anything.

The scripture never says the 10 commandments set you free from sin!!!

I remember it well Cameron, no worries, all very good!

Blessings and good evening, see you later.

I have a great affinity for the law. I have 0 confidence in my ability to keep it. So I try to spend my time yoked to Him who keeps it perfectly rather than trying to keep it.
Blessings to you as well.

Mat 13:14 In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
Mat 13:15 For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’

Are you saying love was a new commandment....

It was new to those that didn't understand it. New to those that didn't see the true depth of God's love.

When Jesus was explaining the law ....old or new??? ....
Mat 5:27-28 27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

This was new to their understanding..but the principle has always been true. The principle was the same from creation.

God's love does not change and His character does not change, and the principles of right and wrong do not change.

I asked which law was new?

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Was this new, or just new to the hearers..

Lev 19:17-18
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

This law of love has always been there.
For those that didn't know God's love it was new.

Today people may not of heard about the Sabbath commandment and it might be new for them but the principle has been there from creation.

You miss the point again

There is no literal blood Jew or Greek when it comes to being a child of God.

God's children are not determined by DNA.

The original children of God was found In Abraham and Jacob who became Israel.
The 12 tribes followed.
Israel mean child of God or prince of God.
It can also mean "one who wrestles or struggles with God".

The book of Romans Is clear that God does not distinguish between races. We are Abraham's children through Christ.

Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Even children of God.

Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise....


Gal 3:28-29 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There is neither male nor female......
I still think people are born one or the other physically.

Paul is speaking about the spiritual regulations or criteria to being a child of God.

Romans 14:5, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

Romans 14:9a, "...Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both...".

Romans 14:12, "Each of us will give an account of himself to God."

Romans 14:19, "Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification."

Nor are God's children determined by following letters of law

No mention of the Sabbath commandment in all of Romans 14 and they are discussing opinions of man in regards to what they eat Rom 14:1-2 and about what day man esteems over another, not one day God deems, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord, My holy day, the holy day of the Lord, thus saith the Lord Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13 that is a commandment of God, not a suggestion.

Today it would be like us arguing over Christmas or Easter.

I get the feeling sabbatarians love the sabbath more than they love Christ.

Our feelings mean nothing- God's Word is the light to our path. Psa 119:105 living by every Word Mat 4:4, not feelings.

We love the Sabbath because God asked us to Remember it and keep it holy Exo 20:8 because its God's holy day that He assigned Himself Isa 58:10 Exo 20:10 Isa 58:18, not one assigned to Him by man, He said is for labor Exo 20:9, its how we join ourselelves to Christ, to be His servant, love His name (Him) and He blesses us when we keep Isa 56:1-6 and sanctifies us Eze 20:12 because we can't sanctify ourselves, we need God for everything and keeping shows are serving the One True God Eze 20:20 the only God who has the power to make heaven and earth Exo 20:11 there are many gods of this world and whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16. I say we place our trust in Christ and communion with God on the day He set aside, the only day He blessed and sanctified Gen 2:1-3 made for man Mat 2:27 is a pure Delight Isa 58:13-14

Its like if our parents asked us to Remember something because its important to them, do we show love by doing what they ask or forgetting.

Isa 56: 2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Yes, you're right sorry about that.

You said the New Covenant started at Paul's conversion, but its not something I have found in scripture. If you have a verse you can share on why you think this, it would be helpful

Can you quote what I actually said? I said the new covenant started FOR PAUL when he was converted in Damascus. He was under the old covenant before that

Ok, thanks. Jesus was living in the New Covenant. He is the Mediator of the New Covenant Hebrews 9:15 He is our example if we abide in Him 1 John 2:5-6 to follow in His footsteps 1 Peter 2:21-22.

His covenant was ratified at His death

Col 2:14 having wiped out the [a]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Heb 9:26 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself

Heb 10:11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.

15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

At the Cross at His death Jesus said - It Is Finished John 19:30 No more could be added or changed to God's Covenant. It was ratified by His death. He has all authority over heaven and earth Mat 28:18

We enter into a covenant relationship with God when we accept what He writes in our hearts and minds and accept Him as our Savior. But the New Covenant exists prior to that as it started when Jesus walked for our example to follow.