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The Ten Commandments have been with God from Creation and will be with us on the New Earth "... and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship me, saith the Lord." (Isaiah 66:23) Moses did not write the ten Commandments; they were given to him by God. The Ten Commandments are not part of the Law of Moses or any part of the old Mosaic Law. "Do not think that I come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matt 5:17) The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in the NT alone and all have to do with the 7th day Sabbath but on which refences an annual Sabbath. God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27). Jesus kept it (Luke 4:16), Paul kept it (Acts 17:2), and Gentiles kept it (Acts 13:42-44; 16:13) Several of the Ten Commandments are mentioned throughout the New Testament. God only set one day apart from the rest and blessed it, sanctified it and blessed it and that would be the 7th day of the week not the first.
Since you're obviously ignorant of ROmans Chapter 14 I'd suggest you read it instead of spreading your legalistic requirements which aren't scripturally supported.
 
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Patently false of course.
When the Apostles kept the Sabbath and taught it was God's gift, as they led by the example of keeping it, you are wrong.

And you, not Dino, can never post a scripture that sustains your false teaching against the Sabbath. ...

If you're not also going by the name Dino here, I'd be surprised. Your passive aggressive personality off line shows up on the Net too. On all the Christian sites you frequent.

Thank you for showing who you are.
This member shows her inability to distinguish between people who disagree with her. She's so intent on throwing shade that she will conflate others just to do so. It's a sign of sickness.
 
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By the way, you take the artistic works of others from various sources you find on the net
in order to create the scripture "art" pieces you post here. You've done this for years.

Thou shalt not steal.

If you're not also Dino I'd be surprised.
Thank you for showing me who you are. I am using works offered freely to others to use as they desire in personal projects. I have mentioned this multiple times when asked about what I do in putting these panels together. It is not stealing at all. Check out pixabay.com. They do not require attribution, either, which is great because it would be an added difficulty in order to have to keep track of which artist I have gotten the illustrations they generate using artificial intelligence and the photo work I use, though I have mentioned specific artists at various times, especially if I have collected a lot of their work, such as the user who goes by the name of Art Spark (AI work) and also the photographer Jill Wellington. You are not the first to falsely accuse me. Not of that offence or of being other people. You are hilarious. Blues Proverbs comes to mind. Are you here breaking the rules like many do after being banned for their offences? Art Spark on Pixabay <= link

You still have not told me which animals you sacrifice in your Sabbath observances. You resort to ad homs instead.
 

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If you promote Sunday sacredness, rather then keeping the Sabbath commandment, you are encouraging people to not obey God's commandments.
If you say keep any other day holy in the place of the 7th day you saying its okay to disobey the 4th commandment.

Should we obey God or man?

When God asked us to remember a day and keep it Holy, God was clear which day.
The sabbath. When men in there own way change things we have a choice.

Man's ways or God's ways.

Sunday sacredness is man made.

The 7th day was made holy and that's what God gave to man. Do miss this wonderful gift.
You are chasing shadows and not the real thing. You promote the letter of the law. I promote the substance of the law.
Read Matthew 28:1 with fresh understanding...In the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn on the first of the Sabbaths...
The word used for Sabbath is the exact same word translated week. Why would the translators translate the same word differently?
I've shared a good bit of late in this thread about what the Sabbath consists in. It's not about a day. It's about a rest. If and when you come to understand this, you will understand why the day isn't important; the rest is.
 

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I see. So what animals do you sacrifice in your Sabbath observances?
When God finished His creation and made the 7th day Holy, there was no sin. Creation was perfect and God gave us the sabbath as a gift.

No Animals were killed.

Heb 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

As God rested on the Sabbath so should we. Rest from our labour. Like God did at creation.

Exo 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Nothing there about animal sacrifices.

Animal sacrifices were added after sin and I am find no need to offer a sacrifice when Jesus has paid it in full.
 
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Animal sacrifices were added after sin and I am find no need to offer a sacrifice when Jesus has paid it in full.
All the commandments (after the first to A&E) were added after sin. You are slipshod in your application.

But following your example here nobody needs to follow any of the laws.
 
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This is why you don't sell your works online.
How do I know this?
You told me so a long time ago.

If you're not also going by the name Dino here, I'd be surprised. Your passive aggressive
personality off line shows up on the Net too. On all the Christian sites you frequent.
I don't sell anything because it is part of the agreement: no financial gain. I am fine with that. Yes, I have posted this publicly multiple times. It is no secret. Many sites that offer ephemera freely for people to use in personal projects are the same that way. These sites offer thousands and thousands of images for people to use, images like a single flower, or a bouquet, or a floral corner arrangement...frames, borders, special effects, backgrounds, butterflies, faces, people parts like hands, arms, lips, mouths, anything you can think of pretty much... clothing, jewellery, angels, animals, fruit, vegetables, religious themed offerings, on and on. Some sites you can search by category. Like if I just wanted to look for pink flowers, I put that in the search field. Doesn't mean that is all I will see but it does cut down what I have to look at when I am looking for things to add to my collection. I wonder why you have such a problem with me doing this. Are you jealous or something? I also wonder how many other sites you think I am on, because I only post here. So your false accusations are just that.
 

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There is a stern warning about Paul writings that people twist to their own destruction. Can you duplicate your understanding of Paul in Col 2:16 with what Jesus taught and lived? Where did Jesus teach we don't need to keep the Sabbath? He taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30. The one commandments He said to remember, that is holy and blessed by God, is not a least commandment, but even if you think it is, He said not to break.

If not, the warning is for those who do not reconcile Paul's writings with Christ, Christ is our Savior and showed us the way leading by example if we abide in Him John 15:10 1 John 2:5-6. Did Jesus ever teach we don't need to keep the Sabbath commandment? Not once. He wrote, He spoke, He blessed, man cannot reverse, and sad they try.
Listen, if you read threads here that pertain to Scripture topics Christians hold dear and cherish, you may notice if you count their posts the number of people opposed to what we cherish is greater than the number of those who agree with the Scripture. And because it is BDF those ones all claim to be Christians. Be aware too there is always a chance one member posts under many different names. That's a practice known as having a sock account.

But are they in Christ?

Don't reply to what you find.

Just take a moment to review cherished topics like Eternal Salvation,or what its opponents think to slur by labeling and dismissing as "OSAS".

The Sabbath topic you already know about the adversaries to that contemporary practice and typical topic found in all Christian discussion communities. And more cherished practices,beliefs, topics besides.

Net communities dedicated to Christ are a beacon,a magnet, on the Web so to attract disciples of Christ. And of course his adversaries who are those disciples of Satan. Because they hate the light. And love to harass Christians by pretending to be one.

Remember Paul's warning?

Even Satan,the enemy,can appear as an angel of light. And quote scripture.

If you reread just this thread without letting your mind wander to correcting posts according to what Scripture actually teaches,just read the personalities,behaviors in writing attitudes toward God and his teachings when posting to the contrary of God's word. Because Satans people cannot understand the things of God they'll counter what actual Christians do understand.

Then you'll see we who are in Christ are the minority here.

Sure,there are genuine Christians who may be new to Bible study and do not yet know God's words ,teachings, are alive and work in harmony so to deliver a succinct picture of his "Good news".

Those ones aren't the Satanic culprits I refer to.

Consider my advice and maybe take the time to read for yourself.

We are lambs amid a ravenous pack of wolves here. Rabid,sin diseased,and dying condemned. Yet,they don't believe that. Which is why they love to mess with those who do know sin and damnation of the non-Elect of God is true.

That's another topic they'll assail. The Elect of God.
A Satanist on a forum I am a member of once claimed the term,The Elect of God, refers to those who elect to follow Christ. And has nothing to do with God's Election of those whom he calls to his grace gift.
This person also insisted Salvation isn't eternal. And just as he elected to follow Jesus he can elect to renounce Salvation and God will withdraw his grace.

No known Christian denomination teaches that. Yet,he claimed to be a Christian.

He lied.

If you really want a view from the perspective from your place in The Light turn off your ad blocker and refresh the page.
Money! From advertising space! Every post,every thread,every page.
Keep a topic embroiled in controversy page after page.....

Tighten the armor of God about you. There be demons here.

May God Bless and protect you.
 

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When God finished His creation and made the 7th day Holy, there was no sin. Creation was perfect and God gave us the sabbath as a gift.

No Animals were killed.

Heb 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

As God rested on the Sabbath so should we. Rest from our labour. Like God did at creation.

Exo 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Nothing there about animal sacrifices.

Animal sacrifices were added after sin and I am find no need to offer a sacrifice when Jesus has paid it in full.
There was sin before creation was finished.

Lucifer sinned when leading angels to make war against God in God's own Heaven.

Sin entered this world through one man,Adam.

Entered the world. The passage does not say sin was born into this world,created in this world by Adam . Sin pre-existed this world. And that is how it entered in.

Where there is no law there is no sin due to transgressing the law.

The first law from God was in Eden. Thou shalt not eat of the tree of knowledge.
 

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Again you are disingenuous in suggesting that I am hostile to the law. I'm simply not striving to keep it. That's the difference.
Ecc 12:13-14
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 

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Listen, if you read threads here that pertain to Scripture topics Christians hold dear and cherish, you may notice if you count their posts the number of people opposed to what we cherish is greater than the number of those who agree with the Scripture. And because it is BDF those ones all claim to be Christians. Be aware too there is always a chance one member posts under many different names. That's a practice known as having a sock account.

But are they in Christ?

Don't reply to what you find.

Just take a moment to review cherished topics like Eternal Salvation,or what its opponents think to slur by labeling and dismissing as "OSAS".

The Sabbath topic you already know about the adversaries to that contemporary practice and typical topic found in all Christian discussion communities. And more cherished practices,beliefs, topics besides.

Net communities dedicated to Christ are a beacon,a magnet, on the Web so to attract disciples of Christ. And of course his adversaries who are those disciples of Satan. Because they hate the light. And love to harass Christians by pretending to be one.

Remember Paul's warning?

Even Satan,the enemy,can appear as an angel of light. And quote scripture.

If you reread just this thread without letting your mind wander to correcting posts according to what Scripture actually teaches,just read the personalities,behaviors in writing attitudes toward God and his teachings when posting to the contrary of God's word. Because Satans people cannot understand the things of God they'll counter what actual Christians do understand.

Then you'll see we who are in Christ are the minority here.

Sure,there are genuine Christians who may be new to Bible study and do not yet know God's words ,teachings, are alive and work in harmony so to deliver a succinct picture of his "Good news".

Those ones aren't the Satanic culprits I refer to.

Consider my advice and maybe take the time to read for yourself.

We are lambs amid a ravenous pack of wolves here. Rabid,sin diseased,and dying condemned. Yet,they don't believe that. Which is why they love to mess with those who do know sin and damnation of the non-Elect of God is true.

That's another topic they'll assail. The Elect of God.
A Satanist on a forum I am a member of once claimed the term,The Elect of God, refers to those who elect to follow Christ. And has nothing to do with God's Election of those whom he calls to his grace gift.
This person also insisted Salvation isn't eternal. And just as he elected to follow Jesus he can elect to renounce Salvation and God will withdraw his grace.

No known Christian denomination teaches that. Yet,he claimed to be a Christian.

He lied.

If you really want a view from the perspective from your place in The Light turn off your ad blocker and refresh the page.
Money! From advertising space! Every post,every thread,every page.
Keep a topic embroiled in controversy page after page.....

Tighten the armor of God about you. There be demons here.

May God Bless and protect you.
That funny. The person you are posting to doesn't believe in OSAS.
 

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Listen, if you read threads here that pertain to Scripture topics Christians hold dear and cherish, you may notice if you count their posts the number of people opposed to what we cherish is greater than the number of those who agree with the Scripture. And because it is BDF those ones all claim to be Christians. Be aware too there is always a chance one member posts under many different names. That's a practice known as having a sock account.

But are they in Christ?

Don't reply to what you find.

Just take a moment to review cherished topics like Eternal Salvation,or what its opponents think to slur by labeling and dismissing as "OSAS".

The Sabbath topic you already know about the adversaries to that contemporary practice and typical topic found in all Christian discussion communities. And more cherished practices,beliefs, topics besides.

Net communities dedicated to Christ are a beacon,a magnet, on the Web so to attract disciples of Christ. And of course his adversaries who are those disciples of Satan. Because they hate the light. And love to harass Christians by pretending to be one.

Remember Paul's warning?

Even Satan,the enemy,can appear as an angel of light. And quote scripture.

If you reread just this thread without letting your mind wander to correcting posts according to what Scripture actually teaches,just read the personalities,behaviors in writing attitudes toward God and his teachings when posting to the contrary of God's word. Because Satans people cannot understand the things of God they'll counter what actual Christians do understand.

Then you'll see we who are in Christ are the minority here.

Sure,there are genuine Christians who may be new to Bible study and do not yet know God's words ,teachings, are alive and work in harmony so to deliver a succinct picture of his "Good news".

Those ones aren't the Satanic culprits I refer to.

Consider my advice and maybe take the time to read for yourself.

We are lambs amid a ravenous pack of wolves here. Rabid,sin diseased,and dying condemned. Yet,they don't believe that. Which is why they love to mess with those who do know sin and damnation of the non-Elect of God is true.

That's another topic they'll assail. The Elect of God.
A Satanist on a forum I am a member of once claimed the term,The Elect of God, refers to those who elect to follow Christ. And has nothing to do with God's Election of those whom he calls to his grace gift.
This person also insisted Salvation isn't eternal. And just as he elected to follow Jesus he can elect to renounce Salvation and God will withdraw his grace.

No known Christian denomination teaches that. Yet,he claimed to be a Christian.

He lied.

If you really want a view from the perspective from your place in The Light turn off your ad blocker and refresh the page.
Money! From advertising space! Every post,every thread,every page.
Keep a topic embroiled in controversy page after page.....

Tighten the armor of God about you. There be demons here.

May God Bless and protect you.
By the way @SabbathBlessing , if someone laughs at you for standing on scripture,in writing or by using the lol "likes" emoticon, you know you're dealing with a non-Christian. An adversary of Christ. Because we who are 8ndwelt with God's sacred and holy Spirit don't laugh at God's love letter,the New Covenant Testimony=Testament.

Stay strong in The Word.

There's another topic Satan's minions will assail and insist is a lie when we say Jesus,Yeshua="Joshua", was God on Earth. According to what God tells us in his own words.
The minions will insist that isn't true. They will falsely insist Jesus was not God in flesh.
While God in his own words says it is true and he was The Word made flesh.

"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.....and the word became flesh (Yeshua aka Jesus) and dwelt among us.

Satan's disciples will stay busy here on Earth. At least for a very little while. Then they will be judged and condemned. And then there will be screams and the gnashing of their teeth while suffering Hell for eternity and with their god of choice,Satan.


Today they don't believe that either. But they will.
 

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Easy. We have a conscience. Do you not read the Bible? God's moral code is written in the heart. Everyone knows that it is wrong to steal and murder. However, no unbeliever knows that not loving God is sin. Or not loving your neighbour.

When I was born again, some things changed immediately. I was pretty much on my own so I had to fend for myself. I despised what I knew of church and I could not read the Bible. I knew straight away that I needed to find a church. I also had a strong desire to study God's word. No one had to tell me.
Why did you study the word if you didn't need to be told.

The word is a light......

All scripture is given .....
2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible is a guild and the law is part of the Bible.

The only part God wrote Himself.
He didn't trust us to write it.

But people think it isn't important today.
 

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That funny. The person you are posting to doesn't believe in OSAS.
There's no such thing as your slur OSAS.

There is God's free irrevocable gift of Salvation and eternal life.

SB does believe and know that.

BTW, it is a lie straight out of the pit of Hell that God's law no longer exists. Jesus taught it and so too his Apostles.
 

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Ecc 12:13-14
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
What is your point? Do you think I don't keep the commandments of God? Do you suppose I'm missing out on the blessing of the Sabbath? What is the blessing of the Sabbath?
 

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There's no such thing as your slur OSAS.

There is God's free irrevocable gift of Salvation and eternal life.

SB does believe and know that.

BTW, it is a lie straight out of the pit of Hell that God's law no longer exists. Jesus taught it and so too his Apostles.
I'm well aware of eternal security. I possess eternal life. I just find it interesting you are speaking about a blessing in scripture and using it to encourage someone who doesn't believe in the doctrine.
And no one has said commandments don't exist. But the letter of the law still kills while the Spirit of the law gives life.
 

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But you don't... and can't! If you did, you would follow the Sabbath requirements to the letter.
Remember
One law was introduced because of sin..
One defines sin.

The law directly from God states

Exo 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is not impossible, this is a delight.

With God's in you the Sabbath truly is a delight.