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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I will add one: 1) Resurrection (from a natural body brought back together from dust, then changed into a resurrection body at resurrection) 2) Rapture (the catching up of those alive and in Christ) 3) "the change" (Those alive and in Christ changed from a natural body into a resurrection...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    IN CONTEXT this will be those left behind at the pretrib rapture. Most will die.
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    So answer the question: do you plan on praying to be found worthy to escape - or not? It seems from your "smack" that you don't want to escape, but rather to be overcome.
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    That is only because your definition of "the first resurrection" is not according to scripture.
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Sorry, but your proof does not pass the test of all end time scriptures. Look, if you wish to stay behind and "tribulate," that will be between you and God. I and the rest of the Bride are going to be where Jesus will be during those 7 years. By the way, don't overlook the two verses in the...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    So, you tell me, from this verse, just WHEN that single saved resurrection will occur. Where you miss it: You are asking a silly question. You are trying to pinpoint a single moment in time for this resurrection for the righteous. That is where you miss it: "first" is only a title for a...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    You are too funny. Why would I want error to "sink in?" The truth is, I don't. I won't go and find your previous post. It will be wrong too. Where you miss it: you just don't believe Paul. He tells us that the rapture will come just before the Day of the Lord and the start of God's wrath...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Yes, it is true, whenever a saint dies, they go to those homes. You have that part right. Here is the difference: I believe what He said, that He would go and build, then would come and receive us (as the bride) unto Himself. Where will He be when He receives His bride? In the air and in the...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Please allow me to rewrite as a correction: So you believe that there are THREE Advents of Christ. That is simply scripture. (Much better.) Christ came to earth as a baby, and suffering servant. He will come back as King of kings and Lord of lords. This is a true statement. But so is this...
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    Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.

    I disagree. I think the "nature" of a man is His spirit. I don't think there were two spirits inside the body of Jesus. I think there was only one: the very spirit that in the beginning spoke light into existence. He, the second person of the trinity, was the spirit inside the human body of...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    It seems you read John 14 differently that millions of believers do. Why is that? Could it be you read with preconceptions?
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    This sounds like you know what you are talking about. But ANY historian would disagree. I do too. In Rev. 1, John is alive and it is sometime in his life: 95 AD or before. In Rev. 21 John is far out into our future. It makes good sense then that somewhere between chapter 1 and chapter 21 is...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Let's see: He came first to die on the cross. CHECK! His next coming will certainly be His SECOND coming. CHECK! Where you disagree with scripture is you imagine His coming to Armageddon will be His second coming. No, His second coming is found in 1 Thes. 4. It is a coming before wrath and...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    No, not false: its scripture. Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. If you don't want to take God's escape plan, I believe God will honor your faith and leave you...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Actually, the "second coming" by its very title will be His coming as shown by Paul in 1 Thes. 4. Armageddon will be His THIRD coming. But you nailed the other part: He comes to the clouds, calls up the church, and then takes us to the homes He has prepared. He will not come to Armageddon...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    That is easy: WHERE did Christ go? He said He was to GO and build homes for us. WHERE are the homes?
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    It is easy to explain: the pretrib rapture will happen over 7 years before the gathering "after the trib" of those days. How can two events that will happen 7 years apart also happen at the same time? Impossible.
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    You can try to force the resurrection of all the righteous into ONE resurrection, but you will be wrong. The truth, as you have stated, is that there are only TWO resurrections mentioned in Revelation 20 for all people, saved and unsaved. One is titled "the first resurrection. I have called the...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    But there IS a verse that tells us God will take people to the homes He has prepared for His bride. So what if He did not call them resurrected. Do you deny John wrote that passage? Or do you deny that the church will be taken to the homes? The truth is, some people have died, SEEN their own...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    I am pretrib, and I call it a coming because Paul called it a coming. But it will only be a coming to the air.