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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    You are simply mistaken. It seems Luke and Paul disagree with you, keeping Jews and Gentiles separate in their writing. God poured out the Holy Spirit on the Jew and Gentile alike. Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Like the counterfeit of "No Bride of Christ mentioned in Matthew ch24". So show us the verse! Like the counterfeit of "No Bride of Christ mentioned in Matthew ch24". You incorrectly seem to imagine the "first" resurrection is one moment in time at the end. Jesus took part in that first...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    That is your opinion, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, millions believe you are wrong. Worse, you are wrong but imagine you are right, making it worse by two. You have not found and corrected your mistake, so worse times 3. Chances are great you don't know where that...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Agreed: that is why I am pretrib.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I agree: when reading Daniel 9 one day, when my eyes and my mind read the word "midst" in verse 27, suddenly God spoke: I heard His voice and His words. He said, "You could find that exact midpoint clearly marked in Revelation..." I believe God speaks through the Holy Spirit. That was the start...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    You are free to believe that, as I am free to believe it is a physical departing.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    And it still must be how the man of sin is revealed in 3b. It also must satisfy verses 6-8 as the restraining power being taken out of the way. I don't think people leaving the church meets this as well as the departing of the church.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Alas! That is why we have umpteen different major denominations: "that line of thinking doesn't really make sense to me..." What doesn't make sense to one, makes perfect sense to another. The difference in PRECONCEPTIONS. When a new thought comes, the human brain searches the storage to find...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I am convinced Jesus KNEW another abomination event was coming, at the end of the age. He gave a vision to John about it. Anyone can try and make the future an historic event, but it simply does not work for most people. They see it as nonsense.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I think there should be a LOT of "un-learning" needed, but it is not on the pretrib side. (as an aside, do you also unclimb a ladder, having climbed it? Are from New Orleans?)
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I think you need to get a dictionary and spend some time on "history" vs "future."
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    How amazing: when asked to do a real exegesis, they are silent.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    The last I knew, dead people were buried ON EARTH. Paul's gathering happens on earth where dead people are buried and where the alive and in Christ walk. However, to be fair, " from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven" (from Mark 13) could be...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    It is not what is similar that divides His future comings - it is what is different. There is simply too much different—they are not the same coming, but instead, TWO comings.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    It all depends on which English translation you quote. 1384 Wycliffe N.T. That no man deceyue you in any maner / for no but departynge aweye (or dissencon) schal come firste & the man of synne schall be schewid [shewed] the sone of perdicioune. 1534 Tyndale N.T. Let no ma deceave you by eny...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Wow! Talk about adding to scripture. Here is what it DOES say: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Hmmm. You just described the postrib theory!
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Let's see: on the clouds with His angels, with a trumpet a gathering of His elect I think the bible tells us of ONLY ONE such event, after the tribulation of those days. IN contrast, Paul's rapture: The mention of clouds is that we are caught up into the air in in the clouds where Christ is...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    This is probably one of the passages by Paul that Peter had in mind when He said Paul wrote things hard to understand.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    apostasia (Key) Pronunciation ap-os-tas-ee'-ah Part of Speech feminine noun Root Word (Etymology) Feminine of the same as ἀποστάσιον (G647) Note the last line: it is a feminine of the same: apostasion (Key) Pronunciation ap-os-tas'-ee-on Part of Speech neuter noun Root Word (Etymology)...