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That's one. That's the other. Two justifications per Brightfame documented. One by Grace alone before you believe and one by faith when you are called by the Gospel. :unsure: Take care, Brightfame.

Your quotes in this thread have... a. Justification at the cross before one believes. (post 524) b. Justification by Faith in time at their call by the Gospel (post 464) that makes two, teacher. ;) 1. One before they were born and 2. one at their call by the Gospel.:unsure: See, I do read!

I think I’m done talking to Brightfame. God bless all.

For myself, I am a non Calvinist who believes faith is a gift, not a work. I also hold that repentance is not a work, but is a response wrought first in the heart and afterwards in the mind by the convincing and convicting work of the Holy Spirit.

These verses apply to those who love the Lord, who are the CALLED according to His Purpose. You left this part out...24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, Romans 5 is a continuation of the discussion of justification...

Here is what you are doing... Romans 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be has been imputed to us who believe in Him who were justified before we were born by the one who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was...

And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again...

I agree with this... Those whom God predestined and calls them He makes righteous by the imputation of the righteousness of His Son to them, which (imputation of righteousness) is unto all and upon all who believe, by which they are justified. John Gill commentary Those whom God calls, He...

Well since you hold to "justified before birth" and you say you hold to Gill's view, which states also "justified in time at one's calling" that makes two justifications. It's not that I'm not paying attention. It's just that your position is very poorly conceived and contradictory. You say...

The righteousness of God through faith in Christ Jesus for all that believe, for their is no difference. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:22-23) Righteousness of God is the imputed righteousness of Christ unto all who believe. So the basis and grounds of...

Those whom God predestined and calls them He makes righteous by the imputation of the righteousness of His Son to them, which (imputation of righteousness) is unto all and upon all who believe, by which they are justified. John Gill commentary on Romans 8:30. (Partial quote). Parenthesis added...

He didn’t quote Gill, I did. Because Gill said we are justified through faith, in time, and at our calling. You even posted a quote where he said that. Foreknown, Predestined, called, justified, glorified, in that order, per Gill and me.

I agree. Brightfame brought up Gill.

Two justifications, huh I thought you said teaching justification by faith was denying justification based on Christ’s work. Now you say you teach justification by faith.

God bless you and yours as well.

@brightfame52 "...the most unlikely persons are justified... by faith only, which is freely given them; and by faith in Christ's righteousness only " John Gill, commentary on Romans 3:27

Brightfame post 464-They all shall be Justified by Faith in time at their call by the Gospel Rom 8:28-30 (y)

Brightfame post 464- They all shall be Justified by Faith in time at their call by the Gospel Rom 8:28-30 (y)

Were these your words or a quote from someone else? Your post included this . a. JUSTIFIED BY FAITH... b. IN TIME... c. AT THEIR CALL BY THE GOSPEL. What do you suppose justified IN TIME AT THEIR CALL BY THE GOSPEL MEANS, teacher? But earlier you said that we are justified before we are called.