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Now I KNOW you have a lack of understanding in Revelation. My axiom on Revelation: ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology to fit, is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.

All this is only your opinion. You have formed a doctrine from one, isolated verse. Did you check all end time passages to see if your theory would fit other scriptures? One can only IMAGINE the gathering in Matthew 24 is Paul's rapture. It cannot be proven to be because it is not and cannot be.

I'm still waiting for the scripture that says 'Christ is coming for His Church AFTER the Tribulation' You see, brother, NO ONE has EVER proved with scripture that the gathering in Matthew 24 is Paul's gathering. That is because it is NOT Paul's gathering and comes over 7 years AFTER Paul's...

No where in Scripture can you find the LORD or the Apostles saying there is more then one return -the Coming of Christ. I disagree. Paul tells us of a coming in 1 Thes. 4, and John tells us of a coming in Revelation 19. If we study both comings, we can see they are different comings separated...

I agree, except for "2nd advent." I believe this (Rev. 19 coming) will be His THIRD coming. Why? Because his second coming will be as shown in 1 Thes. 4. I believe TIME will be church age -> rapture -> and instantly after, "Day of the Lord." I think Paul tells us this in 1 Thes. 4 & 5.

There can be no doubt that in His Armageddon coming, Rev. 19, He comes to the ground to the Battle of Armageddon. He also comes riding a white horse. The armies of heaven come with Him. One can find NONE of this in His 1 Thes. coming: there He stops in a cloud and calls up the church. There is...

Unless you can place a certain coming on a timeline and show that it will be His NEXT coming, you cannot prove any "coming" to be a "second" coming. In fact, "second" in relation to a coming is used only ONCE in the NT: Hebrews 9:28 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and...

It is Paul's rapture because He is the only writer of the NT that received a revelation of the rapture - and he said it was a mystery. He could not call the rapture a mystery if Jesus spoke of it first. The answer is simple: Jesus never spoke of the catching up of those who are alive and in...

How do you know it is symbolic? It makes perfect sense taken literally as the firstfruits of the Hebrew harvest. This is how nonsense doctrine is formed: taking literal scriptures and making them symbolic.

I have searched diligently for horses in 1 Thes. 4 & 5: they are just not there.

Now you have to prove with scripture that this gathering is Paul's rapture gathering. No one as yet has ever been able to prove this with scripture. It is certainly a gathering, and it is certainly after the trib. But it is NOT Paul's gathering. His gathering comes before the Day of the Lord as...

Right! it is symbolic and prophetic - speaking of near future events such as Armageddon. God will not use a sickle at Armageddon. However, it is very likely that those beheaded will be beheaded by a sword. For certain the rapture is not found in this chapter.

Sorry, but by this time Paul's rapture will have taken the church to heaven over 3 1/2 years earlier: just before the 6th seal.

Well said!

Yes.

Good point. The 70th week or "trib" is for Daniel's people, not the Gentile church of today. And the purpose of the "trib" is written in Daniel 12: God's purpose is to "completely shatter" the power of Israel - bring them to the place where ONLY GOD can save them. Today they trust in their IDF.

The harvest written in chapter 14 is prophecy pointing to the near future. God will not harvest people with a sickle. Harvesting will not happen near the midpoint of the week, and chapter 14 is a midpoint chapter. The first harvest is of the righteous and that will be those who refuse the mark...

AMEN, Brother!

It is scripture: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Scripture is not silly. But sometimes peoples TAKE on scripture can be silly.

You are showing your lack of understanding of the book of Revelation. Case in point: the DAY of His wrath starts at the 6th seal. That means God gets ANGRY then. But no action is taken yet. Next, the 7th seal is opened so now the BOOK can be opened. The book contains the entire 70th week. So in...