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  1. wattie

    Hay, wait for me.

    Thank you sir, I have had pastors since 2004 that focus on what the bible says alone and not what is popular for christian teachings. There are alot of popular phrases and quotes from believers who haven't full read the context of the verses they quote. A prime example is in Matthew 18...
  2. wattie

    Hay, wait for me.

    An entire church being warned of being 'spewed out' in Revelation.. isn't about the individual's eternal salvation in that church. Otherwise each and every believer in that church would lose eternal life! That is not what the passage in Revelation 3 is saying. It is about warnings to churches...
  3. wattie

    Newbee 10-22-27

    Welcome sir, context surely is key. Take a brick from a wall and call that the wall .. happens when we get a verse on its own without its surrounding chapter and book.
  4. wattie

    The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

    That is a bit complex. I think you are mixing up initial salvation verses with the daily walk with Jesus. Abraham.. believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness before he offered up his son Isaac. He believed and was converted apart from works. Rahab had faith to begin with...
  5. wattie

    The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

    Pastors Pastors are NOT teaching 'don't follow Jesus' commandments' I don't know where you get that! They may be saying that the OT mosaic laws and Levitical laws aren't binding on NT believers in churches. That is the truth of the NT. But Jesus' commands are usually pushed by pastors to...
  6. wattie

    The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

    But the way of salvation is not in continuous keeping of commands... because God's standard of law keeping is perfection. Jesus does teach us to follow His commandments.. But that is powered by His grace and payment for our sins. It is impossible to keep the commands perfectly. John 3:16...
  7. wattie

    The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

    The 10 commandments under pin New Testament church service. But the keeping of them OT style has been superceded. You've only gotta look back your last week and see some you broke. It's impossible to keep them perfectly. But we can be mature in the faith and keep getting back up by God's...
  8. wattie

    What would you say?

    Well, but is your salvation from you, or Him?
  9. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    Well I believe in eternal security but am not a Calvinist, so I would also argue against limited atonement.. and the P should be preservation of the saved..not perseverance of the saints. We have free will to believe on Jesus Christ for salvation, but not to leave Him after salvation. How does...
  10. wattie

    What would you say?

    Yea here is the thing..it is because of what Jesus does for you that you get to heaven... Not what you do for Him. Because our very best is never perfect. He pays the price..He gets us there. If somehow we could work our way there...what kind of standard does God have? If we could ..it would...
  11. wattie

    What would you say?

    When you die and if God asked why should I let you in to heaven?
  12. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    Just picking up on your comment about no listening to Protestantism. 1... Many Protestant denominations teach you can lose your salvation. Charismatic Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians...all mostly do. Also 'high' church Protestantism..in Anglicans and Methodists etc.. is almost...
  13. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    Hold on..not every Christian will be continuously faithful though. It's not only faithful believers in heaven. There are believers whose works gets burned up because they weren't continuously faithful who still go to heaven.
  14. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    Working out your own salvation verse context is not about eternal salvation..but the right response to having been given it. Two kinds of salvation..one is eternal deliverance, the other is being delivered daily from sin. One is not dependent on the other.
  15. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    Comes down to the fundamental doctrine of atonement and what Jesus accomplished. If you can lose your salvation.. that has been messed with. And like Jimbone says.. it makes salvation from YOU, rather than Jesus.. and that's really off.
  16. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    Ah something we can agree on! I'm also non Charismatic or Pentecostal :) I was a charismatic Methodist in my youth but then in my 20s started getting into scripture alot more deeply and was convinced the sign gifts were for a time that is passed. I also view ministry gifts as having passed...
  17. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    You don't obey your parents because if you don't they will disown you. Your parents would never disown you if they are doing their job. You don't serve God just because if you don't He will send you to hell. I serve God, because He loves me beyond my behaviour.. through His shed blood on the...
  18. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    From : http://solascriptura-tt.org/SoteriologiaESantificacao/CloserStudyPassagesSomeUseToTeachLossSalvation-Pipers.htm Regarding: "I am the true vine, and My Father is the husbandman. Every branch in Me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, He purgeth it...
  19. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    The works are a byproduct..but I think if we say they are guaranteed to happen..then that's back loading works into salvation. Like saying a believer definitely is going to be faithful. A believer surely will have fruit from being saved..but they could get taught wrong things or get caugh in...
  20. wattie

    The Security Of The Believer

    Didn't think I'd see it happen but i'm honestly quite relieved.. watchers2017 is banned! Not sure what happened there.. since he was mostly spouting what every other non osas proponent says.. guess he went too far into accusation.