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  1. wattie

    Works of the Law

    Obedience isn't binding on receiving eternal life... that is what the book of John shows.. as do Paul's letters. Obedience is a right response.. but not the means of receiving eternal life. Jesus commanding us in obedience is only possible if we have already been delivered from sin. If sin...
  2. wattie

    Not By Works

    Okay.. well I was just having a bit of fun with the Old English there :) I don't really understand many Messianic Jews yet. All that I've seen in this forum.. haven't given up on the OT laws.. and yet still accept Jesus as the Messiah. I get keeping customary traditions... Jesus is even...
  3. wattie

    Not By Works

    From whenst thou cometh? If for whatist did thou giveth a reply that we shouldeth retort? Nay! That I should give such I do deny! And what sense maketh thou to me?! And what sense maketh I to thee? Nought! And so doth here endeth the lesson.
  4. wattie

    Works of the Law

    Consider almost the entire book of John and then compare with Pauls letters... No contradiction
  5. wattie

    Not By Works

    Someone who is converted by Jesus, if they build on their faith get more rewards in heaven. If they struggle in their walk.. they lose rewards.. that is where the 'behold, I come quickly...' verse comes in. If you are working to try and get into heaven.. that is plain non-christian belief...
  6. wattie

    Not By Works

  7. wattie

    Not By Works

    Keep it simple.. we live by the New Testament law of faith. This includes grace when we fall from Jesus in trying to follow Him. End
  8. wattie

    Not By Works

    Well in regards to how can you sin if there is no law.. the 10 commandments are still the standard .. they were not anulled.. so everyone still misses the mark in following in them perfectly. But the fact is .. everyone.. does sin.. and Jesus paid for this sin. So anyone who believes in Jesus...
  9. wattie

    Not By Works

    Good deeds MAY follow... Fruit from being saved will.. which may not be obvious to observers. James 2 is about those who have faith..Abraham.. Rahab.. using their faith.. so it is alive and well. Unused .. it is in the sense of dead as 'dormant'. Not 'never had faith to begin with'. Or...
  10. wattie

    God-Adonai-And-HaShem

    This thread may be the thought that I've had for a long time ... That people seem to deny.. Messianic Jews who don't actually believe Jesus is fully God. Acceptancing the OT and the 4 gospels... rejecting the rest. Heresy
  11. wattie

    Not By Works

    Romans 6:15-16 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? This is for those who say...
  12. wattie

    Water Baptism

    1Co 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 1Co 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. This later context of the verse of...
  13. wattie

    Water Baptism

    'Being baptised for the dead'... is a verse that cannot stand alone and is wholly dependent on the context of the verses surrounding it. From memory.. it is about the practice of baptism by immersion.. symbolising His death and resurrection and that if Jesus is not risen.. which some were...
  14. wattie

    Not By Works

    Yes.. it's thinking carnally.. like a lost person..rather than thinking about Jesus's grace to us.
  15. wattie

    Not By Works

    Okay.. well in scripture.. God obviously does discipline and rebuke a believer who is being unfaithful. That makes it unlikely a believer will continue in sin. But sin doesn't unto eternal life.. because sin has been paid for. John 3:16, 3:36, 5:24... Romans 10.. Romans 5:8.. many many verses...
  16. wattie

    Not By Works

    Thanks for the reply. Key words are repent, believe and faith. When God decided to have mercy on Israel, He repented. That doesn't mean God did wrong and had to turn from His ways. It was a change of mind. So at salvation for a sinner.. repent is a 'change of heart, mind'... Not a work of...
  17. wattie

    Not By Works

    Yeah, it's often the case where people say a converted person is going to continue to be faithful in the faith. So if after salvation.. someone is struggling.. they might go to the 'never saved in the first place' line. But this is assuming works had something to do with being converted. It's...
  18. wattie

    Not By Works

    'faith without works is dead'... Is a verse that doesn't stand on its own. Context has the type of faith that is exercised after salvation... People who already have faith. Abraham... Rahab... They were committing acts of service to God from faith they had ..being converted much earlier...
  19. wattie

    Reading the bible literally or figuratively... that is the question

    When people read an historical text, usually they will put it all in context. So they will see a line..'hats cannot be worn outside' And not take it on its own . But ask .. Who is this about? Who is writing this? Who is receiving this writing? What is the time and place? So it may be...
  20. wattie

    Balancing free will with spreading the Gospel

    It always helped me to think it was God's doing in the convicting and saving. All I was doing was sharing the message. So it was never me or the group that got someone saved.. it was God every time. So the pressure was lessened. Then we also came to think we don't need to pressure people to...