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Yes, Paul was writing to the Corinthians to pursue love and desire spiritual gifts. It has been around 2000 years since that time. The 'more excellent way' described by Paul has the temporary nature of the sign gifts and supremacy of love, with abiding in spiritual gifts of faith, hope and...

As per opening post-- I believe the Holy Spirit is God..is the third person of the trinity.. rebukes, empowers, guides, admonishes, directs, can be hurt, seals, etc... But used some spiritual gifts .. sign gifts in particular and then those gifts fulfilled their purpose and God finished using...

From what I've read this is a root of getting into the sign gifts.. is people putting their hands up to say they can do prophecy, wonders etc.. regardless of scriptural authority.

This thread is regarding the doctrine of cessationism. It has been covered before, but I thought it was necessary to have a seperate thread for this. There are common statements made regarding cessationism that I thought I'd like to address: 1- 'You are limiting/denying the power of the Holy...

Look at the Greek behind the word. It's about maturity and completeness.

Error: that the body of Christ and Family of God are the same thing! 😃

First thing is what is the context of the chapter? Animal sacrifice is the subject. Who is being addressed? The Hebrews... who were under the OT system of service to God and relying on animal sacrifice in their system. This system did not please God because people thought the sacrifice was...

God isn't a cosmic santa claus or giant lolly giver, so we dont get whatever we want. God gives according to His will and our spiritual need. Paul's thorn in the flesh would only last on earth. Then he is in heaven forever with Jesus. So God has that eternal perspective. Sometimes also...

No contradiction in the scriptures, but there are two kinds of faith. The first kind is, under conviction, placing your faith in Jesus and receiving eternal salvation. Like for Roman's 10 and John 3:16. This starts the relationship with Jesus. Then there is daily faith, depending on Him...

That is one thing-- In the bible you don't see anyone having to learn the gift of the Spirit they had. It just happened! God objectively working through His believers in His churches, by the sign and ministry gifts. Other thing-- these gifts were for particular purposes. Jesus, when He was...

No harm intended, I gotbthe wrong impression.. apologies 😃

Well if the perfect thing in 1 Corinthians 13 is the complete revelation of Gods Word thru the canon.. 3 gifts still remain, but the others fulfilled their purpose. This position isn't that the gifts were NEVER valid, or that the Holy Spirit doesn't work today. That is a non-christian...

Yes that is what you believe, but you typed that people like me are saying they are not valid. Not valid sounds like never being used, which I dont believe. They were being used and were valid. And you can still count faith, hope and love as gifts. So its sign and ministry gifts passing...

Is it do not believe in the validity of gifts.. or believe that the time they were for... has passed and fulfilled? The former is kinda like saying the gifts NEVER were in operation.. which is a non-christian position.. the latter is saying the Holy Spirit used them for a time completely as in...

The term 'son' in Son of God.. is like 'image', 'expression' Jesus, when you look at the book of John has Him claiming He is 'one with the Father' and also that He does His works by 'The hand of God' Now.. in Jesus' day, when someone states they are doing something by the hand of someone...

So your saying the evidence is in the context of scripture rather than expressed as a direct word in scripture or do you deny the trinity?

Yea it is flawed reasoning, but what I'm meaning is the fact remains, not many actually abide by these guidelines set by Paul.. and I've never seen it done by those guidelines.

What I mean by decency and order is the guidelines for practicing spiritual gifts as set by Paul to the church at Corinth

How many Christian's actually go by the guidelines in how tongues and prophecy actually should be practiced? If the sign gifts are for now.. they would be operating in decency and order. I went to a charismatic church here to the youth service.. and the entire congregation started trying...

Knowledge of the unity of the faith in Ephesians... the completed Word of God is this thing. It is also a 'measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ' That allows someone to be a perfect, complete (mature) person, of full age in the faith.