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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    first of all, every descendant of Adam is born "spiritually blind" so your "elect" are included in the whole of the pool of humanity before birth and at birth. secondly, the only thing that will open "spiritually blind eyes" is for descendants of Adam to believe in God's provision for sin ...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    @Iconoclast ... the only difference between what you submitted in Post 2827 and what you submitted in Post 2822 is that you did not include the first sentence from 2822 in Post 2827. I replied to Post 2822 here. If all you're going to do in the discussion is regurgitate your previous post...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    what I see is that the many sons spoken of in Heb 2:10 does not negate the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ died for every man, woman and child who is a descendant of Adam (Heb 2:9). Hebrews 2: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    in Heb 2:9 we are told that the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man ... that is every descendant of Adam. then in Heb 2:10 we are told that the Lord Jesus Christ brings many sons unto glory ... i.e. not every descendant of Adam. Hebrews 2: 1 Therefore we ought to give the more...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    nope ... prior to being born again, every believer is born dead in trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1). In Rom 6:6 we read ... Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. until a person is born again, he or...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... total misapplication of the parable the Lord Jesus Christ spoke to the pharisees and scribes who murmured against Jesus because the publicans and sinners drew near to Him (Luke 15:1). In the parable, the son who left his father's house and wasted his inheritance through riotous...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    brightfame52, Peter was speaking to a group larger than just "some jews". Peter was speaking to the whole assembly at the temple. It was still the Day of Pentecost ... the day when all males were commanded to appear before the Lord (Deut 16:16). It was the ninth hour of the day ... the same...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... nope ... according to Scripture, Eve was the one who fell prey to satan's lies. Adam, however, willfully ate of the tree which God had specifically told him not to eat from, and in doing so Adam joined his wife in her fallen state 1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    From NET notes: ... when Jesus speaks of setting himself apart (consecrating or dedicating himself) on behalf of the disciples here in 17:19 the meaning is closer to the consecration of a sacrificial animal (Deut 15:19). Jesus is “setting himself apart,” i.e., dedicating himself, to do the will...
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    Sending The Comforter to us

    As mentioned above, Holy Spirit has been active from the time of creation ... we just live in a time in which the activity as described in verses after John 16:7 takes place: John 16: 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    The "Body of Christ, His Church" consists of believers who have lived from the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2) and continuing until this day. Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... more of your lifting a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it ... 1 Peter 2: 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    From John MacArthur commentary (bold/red mine): Even though the Jews were Abraham's descendants (and thus part of God's chosen nation), they were like slaves, not sons, and in danger of eternally forfeiting the privileges they had received. In Matthew 8:11–12 the Lord warned, "I say to you that...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    click if people do not believe, they will be judged according to the law notwithstanding the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... that is why salvation is wholly by grace through faith. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior ... trust that what God tells you in...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    (4317) (prosagó from pros = toward, facing + agō = to go) is used of a person who brings another into the presence of a third party. prosagó describes someone being introduced or given access to another. In classical Greek the noun form prosagōgē refers to the one making the introduction. In...
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    Is it God or the Devil?

    Sometimes misfortune is not caused by God or the devil ... the misfortune can be traced all the way back to the sin of Adam and Eve when creation was brought under bondage: Romans 8: 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope 21...
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    Is it God or the Devil?

    Tripping and falling is just something that happens ... an accident ... satan (the devil) uses situations / enticements to draw our attention away from God to anything other than God. Once we're distracted from God, we can turn back before we actually engage in sin ... or we can continue on a...