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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    The worm is a prophetic reference to their judgment. They are a reference to the torment of the subject they are tormenting. It is impossible to remove the subject (the wicked) from the worm doing the tormenting. If the worm never stops tormenting then the subject being tormented never stops...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    These verses and many others give anyone a clear understanding. It is not possible to support the logic that "the smoke of their torment rising forever does not involve their torment lasting forever" from either the Greek Lexical or Syntax or the English either for that matter. To say that...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    : It simply means that they will always be in torment using prophetic references.
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    In Mark 9:48, when Jesus says, “Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched” (ESV), He is quoting from Isaiah 66:24: “They will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    Actually he makes it clear that they were an example of how they are going to suffer even more punishment after they died. All three examples that he gives he used to make the point in verse 9 that their souls were going to be punished even further in the Lake of Fire. 9The Lord knoweth how to...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Those that receive the mark are included in this "destruction" which is the kind that includes torment and no...
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    The Lord God said, "it is not good for man to be alone," but...

    Man being alone was solved. Now we are not. We can have fellowship with our church family and if we don't want a mate we are still not alone. I don't think we can use that scripture to say that man must marry or he is alone. Look at what Paul said in 1 Cor 7 about the advantage of being...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I agree that God's willingness to restore the worst of the backslider who is sincerely repentant is included in the lesson.
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    Why Does Society Seem to Think That Cougars... Should Be Shot? (Older Woman and Younger Men.)

    So what is this about society being ok with 60 year old with a 27 year old? Really? So it's ok now? What about the church? Does the church say it's ok for a 60 year old pastor to marry a 20 something? I would think that such a pastor would loose all credibility as being in tune with God if...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    The New Testament teaches that we must continue in faith until the end. However that being said, the parable is not about born again Christians and backsliding. It is a parable to teach the Pharisees that their attitude about being upset that sinners where eating with Jesus was wrong. He...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    Sounds like a convenient religion for the wicked eh?
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    Ephesians 4:11-16

    But that is not the context of 1 Cor 13. Face to Face is when we see God in our perfected state. We will no longer know in part. Until then we do. Paul wrote this. Paul said that he was not yet perfect but followed after that goal which he said was the resurrection from the dead. That is...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I ignore it. I've never met anyone deceived by it. I see them on TV say give so I can have a nicer house because God wants me to be rich and people give it to them. There isn't any conning involved. If people are willing to do that what can you do? Do you say "You do realize that he just...
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    If God Called You to a Difficult/"Impossible" Marriage Situation, Would You Run or Obey?

    Believers in the church at Corinth asked Paul about sex and marriage for NT believers. His advice made it clear that Marriage is a choice for the NT believer. We should not use OT prophets to trump what Paul answered because we don't like it. Paul made it clear that God does not tell...
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    Ephesians 4:11-16

    It is 89 pages but it is well worth the read. I saved a copy for my reference collection. Being Baptist I would assume that the author is not a continuationist but he certainly is intellectually honest and scholarly and has proven to anyone who is willing to examine the facts that "That which...
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    Ephesians 4:11-16

    Here is a good article that traces the entire history of that interpretation. https://fdocuments.net/document/1-cor-1310-history-of-interpretation-nt-baptist-theological-seminary-a-history.html?page=1
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    Hell

    Jesus never disagreed with "The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath." What he said about no man having ascended to heaven does not contradict Proverbs 15 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. As to the meaning...
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    Ephesians 4:11-16

    How do you feel about your statements now that you see them in print? :D I hear what you are saying. There are many awful churches today. And there were also other churches that were pleasing to Jesus existing at the same time when John wrote to the seven churches. So it is today. For...