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    Understanding God’s election

    We should by no means continue to teach the keeping of the LAW in order to be judged worthy of salvation. There are, however, laws God and Christ glorifying that the Chistian is called to follow as a reflection upon Christ. For the true Christian, if we do not adhere to those, God will chastise...
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    [Heb 7:11-13, 16, 18-19, 21-24 KJV] 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the...
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    Understanding God’s election

    That was based upon the Old Covenant stipulations. There is no choice possible for those whom God placed under the New Covenant - as they were already chosen by Him for salvation.
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    Me too! This should prove really interesting! I almost think I didn't fully understand @Rufus's intent.
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    Understanding God’s election

    It's okay, I really don't expect you to comprehend or accept this, but I thought I should say it anyway. So, no need to continue with this unless, that is, you feel like it. No one can truly believe unless God has first given to them a new heart along with true faith. The only ones who will/can...
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    Understanding God’s election

    No, true faith enters first into the new man through his new heart, not by his human ears nor mind. The heart of the old man is deceitful and desperately wicked above all things. Because it is evil, it does not/cannot teach natural man of things spiritual. [Pro 16:23 KJV] 23 The heart of the...
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    Good point, Rufus, and John 8:43, 47, 1 Co 2:14, confirms that: [Jhn 8:43, 47 KJV] 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. ... 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God. [1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the...
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    I don't mean to be argumentative, nor do I want to be too dogmatic, and I understand what you're saying, but I'm not so sure it was intended that 1 Pet 2:9-10, to be only addressed to the messianic Jews, given as Peter salutation to them was as being "strangers" in 1 Pet 1:1, and from what I...
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    Understanding God’s election

    What is your point specifically?
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    Understanding God’s election

    Perhaps you are the one who does not understand. But if you're saying it is not worth continuing this discussion further, I agree.
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    Understanding God’s election

    The earthly Jews and Gentiles whom God has saved, has He made into spiritual Jews - true Jews. There is only one spiritual Israel comprised of spiritual Jews. [1Pe 2:9-10 KJV] 9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth...
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    Understanding God’s election

    I don't understand your point. My initial post was to point out the flaw in the belief that one can become saved by their choice to believe, because should someone think that way, then what happens to those who will never have an opportunity to make that choice, but that in no way is my belief.
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    Understanding God’s election

    So, it seems you misunderstand salvation. Now there is only the Israel of God, and no longer a distinction between earthly Jew and Gentile - all are subject to the same gospel and salvation -all are spiritual Jews - true Jews. [Gal 6:16-17 KJV] 16 And as many as walk according to this rule...
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    Understanding God’s election

    God places Christians under greater scrutiny and correction regarding their actions than those who face law and legal penalties. When a Christian acts in an un-Christian like/immoral, manner, God is quick and severe to punish and correct them. But it does not affect their eternal salvation...
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    Understanding God’s election

    And the only way that there is no longer law for someone is when they become saved: only by Christ are they taken from under the law, otherwise, not, and by law, subject to God's judgment - there is no third alternative. [Rom 5:11, 13, 15 KJV] 11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Don't think so. I believe you've misunderstood those verses. [Rom 3:9-12 KJV] 9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that...
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    Yes, I know that you have and so have I, but I like to restate it occasionally just to try to illustrate the immense gap in their logic.
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    Understanding God’s election

    Out of curiosity, according to scripture and only according to scripture, what exactly happens to those sinners who, through no fault of their own, either were never in a position to hear the gospel or too infirm to comprehend/respond to it, to produce faith and repent?
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    Understanding God’s election

    It's amazing, Magenta, how certain people simply cannot accept this - I guess it goes back to that natural man problem.
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    Understanding God’s election

    When you say, "many article", did your readers actually have to pay for them? If so, you should refund them. (Okay, and with this reply to you, I'm done). Christ is the Chosen One, but He was the first of many brethren. Unless elected, everyone is, and will remain, outside of Him. God makes...