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Think what you like, your opinion is not significant to me. You may have read those verses in the past, but that doesn't mean you actually comprehended them. That you are unable to relate them back to the part of your 11,127 that I referenced, says it all. I don't plan on making this...

How about you figure them out - they are self- evident, basic, uncomplicated, and purposefully so, so I can't see why you would have any questions about their meaning, unless, that is, you need me to go back and explain to you the fundamental doctrines of the gospel. How about for starters, you...

That's the standard let's shift the burden type of reply that you FW types typically employ. The verses do not need explanation beyond what is already there. I certainly am not going to go through them to explain them to you, and you're definitely more than smart enough to figure them out...

Yeah, I'm done with this discussion too [Luk 6:45 KJV] 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. [Luk 8:15...

Perhaps it is you who should do a serious study. Eph 1:4 is not about the church, it is about chosen individuals, and don't tell me what I can and cannot cite - I'll cite what I please when I please - that you don't have the ability to read and understand is not my problem. [2Th 2:13 KJV] 13...

The true faith of the heart isn't informational, its spiritual. The delivery of the tenets (the information) of faith intellectually to someone for their edification/caretaking/preaching/ contending for it, is not the same as the obtaining of true spiritual faith of the heart. I am asking about...

This is simple - that faith is obtained, not of ourselves, but by the righteousness of Christ. Is that correct or not? Yes, or no?

Faith is a prerequisite to believing; believing is that which causes someone to accept something in their heart as being true. Which specific verses do you have in mind?

Nope, Eddie, NC chosen is different than OC chosen. For the NC, God unilaterally did all of the choosing, man did not and could not contribute to it.

"faith needs to be received in faith" - seems a logical contradiction. Where does the faith that allows faith to be received in faith, come from? Not to be rude but I'm having difficulty generally grasping your points above. I'm hearing things being mentioned there but not how they come to be...

[2Th 2:13-14 KJV] 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the...

[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: [2Pe 1:3 KJV] 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and...

[Eph 1:4 KJV] 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: [Eph 1:7 KJV] 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

I see it otherwise - guess we'll just leave it at that. Thanks for the discussion.

I didn't like my last reply to you, so I'll try to clarify it now. if I understand you correctly, your point is that it is up to us to believe in Christ in order to become Christians, and by becoming Christians, adopted in Christ. If so, I disagree. Do you see in Eph 1:5 the "predestined us for...

By being chosen by God to be in Christ Jesus, is how one is chosen unto salvation, but it is by/through the Spirit, not man. [Rom 8:1-2 KJV] 1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the...

Not sure that I understand your point entirely, but if I do, not really. However, I think I see how you came to that conclusion based upon 1 Peter 1:1. However, to understand who actually is in view in 1:1, it is important to consider 1Peter 2:9 -10 too. Old categorizations/labels such as Jew...

Not one? Really? Just a few quickies: [Eph 1:4-7 KJV] 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the...

When Christ was numbered with the transgressors (see below verses), those He represented could no longer be numbered as transgressors since He took their place - the concept of double jeopardy would not permit Christ and those for whom He stood in, to both be so numbered - given that Christ...

Their belief/trust, Magenta, is in themselves as Saviour rather than in Christ; scripture, however, makes clear beyond dispute that Christ alone is the Savior. They would eliminate Christ from salvation making it solely between themselves and the Father based upon their actions and choices...