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[Eph 1:3-7 KJV] 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5...

Basically, that the receiving of faith and growing in faith are two different yet related things. If I understand your point correctly, you seem to see only the latter. The original point of the post in the chain (from GWH) that I replied to, was faith - faith as a fruit of the Spirit - it not...

I see it exactly the same way, Jimbone. I think it comes down to that they believe it is not God who saves but man, and they want to be the ones in charge of it - when they aren't.

You are reading into the verse an assumption neither stated nor inferred therein. When someone is saved/born-again, they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. When that occurs, the faith of Christ, through the Holy Spirit, is imputed to them. [Rom 4:9 KJV] 9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the...

The intent of the verse is clear. [Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

No, the "in order that" is for which is to come later in the verse after it- that the work of God was in order that they believe.

No, carnal man and natural man do not represent the same thing. The natural man represents the unsaved - not indwelt by the Holy Spirit; the carnal man represents acting in an earthly manner but not necessarily unsaved [1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit...

Our grace and works cannot co-mingle - are they NOT mutually supporting of each other in any sense regarding salvation. The remnant below was by the election of grace. For those God places under it, grace is free. It is free because it is not and cannot be by works. So, since I provide the...

Sorry, the "that" was referring to the complete post. The answer to your question is no, I do not believe conclusions you've drawn above are correct. I thought I had already explained the why. Briefly, it is that God's blessings in the spiritual sense, were only intended and given to those He...

No, I can't agree with you on that. I believe they are applicable only to those whom God had chosen for salvation - His elect. As the verses I provided demonstrate, faith and belief come from/by God alone, but without question, He does not do so for everyone. Why? Because true faith and belief...

[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; [Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them...

I couldn't agree more with you, Magenta. But I guess there's some of the old hope springing eternal in the trying.

[Rom 5:17 KJV] 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [2Ti 1:9 KJV] 9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works...

"completely and in all ways" was added only for emphasis.

Perfect verse choice, Magenta. Now, question is: can they hear it?

Oh my! Okay, what I believe is that salvation is completely and in all ways a gift exclusively provided by Christ as Savior, to include faith - the result of which was grace given freely to His elect. Nothing is nor can be provided by it receipients in any way. Clear?

Right, but if grace is a free gift, then the "through faith" simply cannot be our faith. In fact, since grace is a free gift is by Christ, then the faith is Christ's faith.

Grace is a free gift by Christ; salvation is by Christ by grace. Nothing more than grace, as a gift, is needed.

The verses I included are self-explanatory - needing nothing further. What don't you understand about them?

Grace, per Rom 5:15, is given exclusively as (free) gift. Salvation, per Eph 2:8, is exclusively by grace. Therefore, as a gift, contrary to your earlier post, a recipient's faith plays no part in their receiving of grace or their justification/salvation (especially since they are not even given...