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It is you who does not understand. "true Theologians and Scholars" didn't write scripture, God did. Since scripture alone was given by God, and scripture alone can make the "man of God THROUGHLY furnished unto good works", then scripture alone must also include within itself, the keys to its own...

Scripture, and scripture alone, was designed and written by God to be its own dictionary and is fully self-contained pertaining to His plan of salvation. The definitions derived from a dictionary written by man, shouldn't be trusted for such if that was your point. [2Ti 3:16-17 KJV] 16 All...

Wait - aren't you the one who believes that it is within the power of man to truly believe? That is in direct contravention as to how scripture defines "natural man" in 1 Co 2:14. You should first actually read and understand the scripture you plan to quote BEFORE you quote it. [1Co 2:14 KJV]...

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Yes, that, but also certain specific references to "man" implying saved, the opposite of "beast", as unsaved. For example: [1Co 15:32 KJV] 32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

Great point, brightfame52. Interestingly, and in contrast to "beast" representing the unsaved, God also uses "men (man)" spiritually, in certain instances, to represent the elect/saved.

Completely agree with you too, Magenta. I often wonder if it is that a particular church doctrine has more sway that biblical doctrine has.

Completely agree, brightfame52

I've been unable to follow most of the posts here, Rufus, for the last week or two due to a very sick dog, so the verses I'm commenting on now may already have been hashed over. If this is the case and I am covering old ground, sorry. In any event, it seems to me that John 17 defines exactly...

I disagree, but in any event, they neither can listen, hear, nor believe, until first being made His sheep - that being the prerequisite. They hear only because they are "of God", by which, are they made His sheep, hear, and believe; but the reverse isn't true - that they are made His sheep...

[Jhn 8:43 KJV] 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. [Jhn 8:47 KJV] 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God. [Jhn 10:3-4, 14, 16 KJV] 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice...

Wrong measure. The measure is the wisdom/ability God gives to those He saves to be able to measure Christ's faith - that His faith alone was sufficient to bring forth salvation a measure PHRASE g3358: metron measure, an instrument for measuring a vessel for receiving and determining the...

[Rom 7:22-25, 81-2 KJV] 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body...

Unsaved, natural man -those not His children - cannot know the things of the Spirit and therefore cannot be taught in order to become His children. Only those whom God had adopted as His children, can learn in order to come to Jesus. This is made clear in the following verses - that unsaved man...

I'm not sure that I completely follow your reasoning, sorry my fault. But I believe that within context of Isa 54, only those that have become saved are taught by God and learn, and no others. Therefore, I believe the reverse of what you stated above: they can only learn BECAUSE they already...

I know, after all, He's not a PhD.

lol - oh no problem at all and no apology necessary, Rufus. I didn't even notice that - just glad if I contributed something useful. Thanks.

Thank you, Magenta, appreciate the clarification

So, to come to Jesus only applies to those who happened to be in physical proximity to Jesus at that time? And those not in physical proximity cannot come to Him?

It is said by the "great shall be the peace of thy children". Their peace shall be great because they learned which gives them understanding, and therefore, their peace will be great. It is one continuous thought within the verse. [Isa 54:13 KJV] 13 And all thy children [shall be] taught of...