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huh? There is the spiritual and there is the earthly. These two are completely different things. Notice, in the below verse, that it does not say "comparing the earthly with the spiritual", but " comparing spiritual with the spiritual". Since salvation is eternal, it is of the spiritual, not of...

Agreed. Ranking (whatever that might mean) plays no part in it whatsoever - look at Saul/Paul for example. God saves whosoever He chose, based solely upon His divine perogative and good pleasure, and for no reason other than He chose them. It says we become saved solely because of His mercy...

Yes, it is. Not only is the acquisition of faith a work, but it is God's work alone to achieve on our behalf, thereby making it a gift, [Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

No.The "faith" of Eph 2:8 represents Christ's faith, not our faith. Christ was perfectly faithful to the Father and the mission given Him. We are saved by His faith, not ours. If it was our faith that was intended, then the verse would contradict itself.

Perfectly stated, Cameron.

I'll repost for clarity: [2Ti 1:9-10 KJV] 9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour...

It does say exactly that. Apparently, you either did not read or understand the verses I provided.

A spiritual Savior, not an earthly savior - we are discussing eternal salvation, correct? Remember, I said that you shouldn't assess things spiritual by the earthly: " In this case, the earthly should not be used as a standard to measure or assess things spiritual. Therefore, the comparison you...

Yes, that is exactly what I am presenting - that man does/can do nothing for it - and that is what makes it precisely by grace. The method He ordained was to give it freely as a gift, through Christ, to those He chose for it. For those so chosen, there is no requirement imposed upon them to...

Their actions may have resulted in the nation of Israel being saved, but nevertheless, their title was judge, not Savior, nor did they claim to be such. Not so with Christ. No one else in the Bible was given that specific title by God nor could anyone else claim it. In this case, the earthly...

Yeah, Magenta, it seems that some blow right by 1 Co 2:14 (and surrounding verses) without giving them due consideration.

Disagree. John and Peter knew and believed that Jesus was the Savior because Jesus, as God as the Holy Spirit, taught them that He was the Savior, just as He teaches all who become saved. True belief does not/cannot originate from the mind of natural man, just as @Magenta repeatedly and...

Thank you, and no, that's about it for me as far as adding to 13:48 goes, at least for now, although I'm happy to discuss further but not sure how much more I can add.

Correct - just as its recipients and beneficiaries. The salvation transaction so to speak, was entirely between God the Father and Jesus Christ who satisfied its requirements perfectly.

PS I left out the most important part - that Christ, being God, was also the Holy Spirit, moving them to a belief in Christ as Savior. perhaps they, as of then, did not yet have complete intellectual knowledge of everything, but they did, nevertheless, believe, because true belief originates...

Yes, Jesus is God. If Jesus is the Savior as we agreed, then all aspects of salvation logically must have been satisfied by Him alone, by which, it comes specifically and individually unto us as a free gift (or not depending), with all else pertaining to salvation, as byproducts of that.

John believed Jesus was the Savior because Jesus had told and demonstrated to His Apostles and disciples that He was. John may not yet have fully understood scripture and the final fulfillment of the prophecy regarding Christ, but nevertheless, that didn't mean he didn't realize that Jesus was...

Only for those that God had intended to see it. But to do so, they must first have been given a new spirit, new heart and renewed mind. The seeing comes after the fact, not before. Okay, obviously, up to you. Both can't be true at the same time. He either is the Savior, or He is not - no...

Christ is God's power unto salvation. Christ, in essence, is the Gospel. He needs to indwell a person for them to become saved/born again. From that indwelling, they are given faith, and from that faith, they believe. To me it's an A causes B relationship. One is cause, the other its...

I haven't compared those verses before, but they seem to be referring the same thing just focusing upon different points in time and edification. They both came to believe that Christ is the Savior If you have a particular point you're driving at, just state it.