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  1. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    I thought it was already explained that Romans 6 is NOT about WATER. Nor are most other mentions of "Baptism". I guess it didn't stick. Until then, this thread will either end or go on forever.
  2. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    More aptly: "and water is a picture (symbol) of the immersion in the Spirit, which now saves you... Even John the Immerser explained this. The early Priests loved, and relied on, the fact that no one had access to scripture. They became the "arbiters of truth". The KJV is used for "EXACTLY"...
  3. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    I'm not picking and choosing which part of God's Law to disregard. I'm a sinner just like you. I'm in constant need of God's Mercy. Thank God for Jesus.
  4. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    Yes, of course, I agree with you. You say, yourself, that we want to be like Jesus. That means to Love God. How do we Love God? Follow his commands (Law). We are no longer under the penalty of Death (spiritual) from our sin. This is what Jesus did for us. He did not free us from following God's...
  5. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    Sorry. It just seems that a lot of people think that Jesus abolished God's Law. At least, they think they can pick and choose. The 10 commandments are God's Law in written form. Not just for Hebrews. Jesus died so that we can be forgiven of our transgressions and counted as Righteous (as we try...
  6. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    Seriously? The Pharasaic Talmud? If you say that Sabbath-keeping started with Moses, then you also are saying that ALL of the other commands began there, too. If that were true, Cain killing Abel was not a sin. All of God's Law was in effect since creation. Just because it was written down for...
  7. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    Again, God does not change. Ever.
  8. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    I never said any of these things. And you know exactly what I meant by "death". Now you are trying to twist my words.
  9. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    This is the accomplishment of Jesus. He Defeated Death for us. Our following of God's Laws are a testament to our faith in Jesus. The statement I made could not be true EXCEPT for Jesus. You got it backwards. We are free to FOLLOW God's Laws. (Not free FROM them).
  10. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    Are you asserting that Adam and Eve and all of their descendants did not keep the Sabbath day that God had created? They obeyed all of God's commands EXCEPT that? They knew about ALL of the other sins but ignored the Sabbath Day? Not until God wrote it on tablets for Moses did God expect that...
  11. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    So, I can steal? Covet? Murder? as long as I am in Christ? Explain to me which of the 10 commandments I can ignore. BTW. Adam was not a Hebrew, yet he kept the 7th day Sabbath. It has been around since creation so don't act like it started with Moses. The command to keep the Sabbath is so that...
  12. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    Revelation 14:12 King James Version 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. This would include Sabbath-keeping but not water-baptism.
  13. JeffA

    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    I'll have to side with @Phoneman-777 on this one. The dead, all of them, are neither in Heaven nor do they walk the earth. They are "asleep" and awaiting His return and judgement.
  14. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    Today I am going to sweep the patio and clean the grill. Is this breaking the Sabbath? I think not. I'll be enjoying God's presence. I'll be preparing for a day when friends come to visit and worship Him. I'm not worried about anyone looking over my shoulder to tally my every discretion. I am...
  15. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    If you steal a candy bar from the store, as I have, you shall not face DEATH. This Death (the consequence of the Law) has been defeated by Jesus Christ. It is the same with the Sabbath. "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your...
  16. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    The Sabbath (Saturday) was NOT instituted by Moses. Adam even kept the Sabbath. The Sabbath was the 7th day of creation. It did not start with Moses. Freedom from Death is NOT freedom from the Law. For by the Law are we judged righteous. Without Law there is no Sin or Righteousness. Through...
  17. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    I agree. What I mean is that since we are born again, we will naturally want to do our very best to Honor God by keeping his commandments. Also, we would want to treat each other with love. Of course, we will stumble. Jesus gave us a reason to keep trying. Otherwise, who could be redeemed?
  18. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    I can't get all of the scriptures in the Gospels concerning the Passion of Christ to reconcile, otherwise.
  19. JeffA

    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    No, I am not affiliated with Any denomination. Never been to a 7th day service, even. Paul kept the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for Man. All believers in Christ kept ALL of the commandments. The Sunday worship "thing" is man-made. No problem gathering on Sunday. I go to church on Sunday. But...