Alcohol

[eph610]

God chose me because I called upon His Son to save me from my sins. You're taking me the wrong way. I'm not forcing any opinions on anyone. It's called a discussion. A Bible discussion. That's all. Some people want to drink and use the Bible to justify it, others think that it is wrong and use the Bible to justify it. That's called a discussion.

This is why I told you lets not and say we did....Discussion is fine, but you are enforcing and defending your beliefs and interpretation, which you have a right to, what you don't have a right to do is say I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG and that friend, is what you are doing..

 

[LaurenTM]

I just want to know what you're trying to say. The Bible talks about confronting one in sin privately. And if that doesn't work, to bring another person. And if that still doesn't work, then to bring the church. So if someone is drinking in excess constantly, or committing adultery, or binging, or sinning in anger constantly, do we just ignore them? I mean, we do have an obligation to reach out to those struggling. The Bible tells us to be careful, though, or else we will stumble also. So I'm generally asking this: Are you implying we don't confront sin at all?

the op is not about confronting sin

I'm still, (stupid me) trying to actually discuss the ACTUAL op

isn't that ironic?

 

[Magenta]

There is a problem when people say it is a sin to drink, or that Jesus never drank. Even saying it is a sin to drink too much occasionally... Jesus provided vats of wine at a party after everyone had already had too much to drink. If it were a sin to drink too much, would Jesus encourage it even more?

 

[jsr1221]

the op is not about confronting sin

I'm still, (stupid me) trying to actually discuss the ACTUAL op

isn't that ironic?

You're not stupid. And I was asking what it was you were implying. Not the OP. I said my thoughts on the original question pages ago.

 

[LaurenTM]

You're not stupid. And I was asking what it was you were implying.

so you took that literally, did you?

a stupid person would never say what I said...please look up ironic

and the op too while you are at it...look up the op

OP

 

[jsr1221]

There is a problem when people say it is a sin to drink, or that Jesus never drank. Even saying it is a sin to drink too much occasionally... Jesus provided vats of wine at a party after everyone had already had too much to drink. If it were a sin to drink too much, would Jesus encourage it even more?

Drinking too much causes one to lose sense of judgment. And the Bible tells us to not get drunk with wine. So there is such thing as drinking too much. The Bible wouldn't warn us the dangers of drinking too much if it wasn't an issue.

 

[jsr1221]

so you took that literally, did you?

a stupid person would never say what I said...please look up ironic

and the op too while you are at it...look up the op

OP

I had said my thoughts on the op pages ago. That there's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol in moderation. I asked for your thoughts and what it was you were implying in the first post I responded to you. If you don't want to say, that's fine. But this is the third time I asked, and it'll either be the charm or I'm striking out.

 

[LaurenTM]

somebody else do this one cause my brain cells are getting angry at me for trying to actually make some sense here

 

[LaurenTM]

that's Toto and he misses the rains down in Africa? anyone get that? LOL! wheeeeeeeee

when's recess?

 

[Gr8grace]

All I have done is try and show what Scripture has said.

Deut 14~~24“If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you, 25then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses.26“You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.

 

[PeterJens]

A drink occasionally is fine and good for the soul.
Dehydration as you get older definately means more than a few glasses is to be avoided.

If drink is part of your life, you are in a bad place, and it will damage your body.

The fermentation of drinks was part of how we survived in Europe as bugs do not survive
alcohol, so unfortunately though it is a poison, it has saved our ancestors lives.

So like most things in life, it is about control and appropriateness rather than good or bad.
If on the other hand alcoholic addiction wrecked your family I understand how abstinance
is part of following the Lord.

 

[Magenta]

Drinking too much causes one to lose sense of judgment. And the Bible tells us to not get drunk with wine. So there is such thing as drinking too much. The Bible wouldn't warn us the dangers of drinking too much if it wasn't an issue.

I know. But you did not really answer my question. Is it a sin? Would Jesus encourage sin? Even just drinking, people have condemned as if it were a sin, and yet, Jesus drank. Have you read my posts throughout the thread? I stand on the side of abstinence after decades of alcoholism. So, yeah, I know the dangers first hand, but I do not advocate abstinence for everyone. Not everyone has a problem with alcohol. If drinking too much were a sin, would Jesus have made, what was it? Six huge vats of it to supply guests at a wedding who had already had too much to drink? That is what Scripture tells us. That is not to say those people drank all the time, either. In reality we know next to nothing else of all those people at the wedding feast, except that it was His mother who requested He do something when the wine ran out.

 

[jsr1221]

I know. But you did not really answer my question. Is it a sin? Would Jesus encourage sin? Even just drinking, people have condemned as if it were a sin, and yet, Jesus drank. Have you read my posts throughout the thread? I stand on the side of abstinence after decades of alcoholism. So, yeah, I know the dangers first hand, but I do not advocate abstinence for everyone. Not everyone has a problem with alcohol. If drinking too much were a sin, would Jesus have made, what was it? Six huge vats of it to supply guests at a wedding who had already had too much to drink? That is what Scripture tells us. That is not to say those people drank all the time, either. In reality we know next to nothing else of all those people at the wedding feast, except that it was His mother who requested He do something when the wine ran out.

If it wasn't a sin then the Bible wouldn't say for people to not become drunk. So now we have two opposite sides in the Bible. We know the Bible isn't contradictory. So something is going wrong here.

 

[LaurenTM]

 

[Magenta]

If it wasn't a sin then the Bible wouldn't say for people to not become drunk. So now we two opposite sides in the Bible. We know the Bible isn't contradictory. So something is going wrong here.

Yeah, you are calling a sin what Scripture simply warns to be wary of abusing, lest it take control of your life. To call drinking a sin is to call Jesus Christ a sinner.

 

[Magenta]

That is rather akin to saying we must never handle money since the love of it is the root of all kinds of evil. People distort even that, saying that money is the root of all evil. Not the love of it. Not the root of all sorts of evil, meaning many kinds, not every single one. See the distortions? I see them frequently.

 

[LaurenTM]

Drinking too much causes one to lose sense of judgment. And the Bible tells us to not get drunk with wine. So there is such thing as drinking too much. The Bible wouldn't warn us the dangers of drinking too much if it wasn't an issue.

quoting scripture without understanding it...or misinterpreting it causes a loss of judgement AND truth

scripture is plain as it can be...it's not some high wire act with folks falling on one side or the other

the issue is saying it is always wrong or always not ok...I got what you said...read it, understood it, remember it

but folks are saying it is a sin to have ANY

look at what Magenta is saying...does she sound like someone who does not get the issue...?

 

[jsr1221]

Yeah, you are calling a sin what Scripture simply says to be wary of abusing, lest it take control of your life. To call drinking a sin is to call Jesus Christ a sinner.

And how does it take control over one's life? It happens by abusing. The Bible says to be aware of all things and conscience of all things. When you are drunk, you lose sense of judgment. That is a line crossed. By the Bible's definition, that would be a sin. I can see this is going nowhere. So I might as well just stop. Three strikes, I'm out. By the way, I had said in the beginning that drinking itself isn't a problem. But I see you don't want to take the time to go through earlier in the pages. Yet you wanted me to see what it was you said earlier. Think this is a good time for me to check out now.

 

[PeterJens]

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.
Matt 11:19

The pharisees did not like Jesus. He obviously drank alcohol with sinners which annoyed them
which is why they called him a glutton and a drunkard.

There is simply no contradiction here.

 

[jsr1221]

quoting scripture without understanding it...or misinterpreting it causes a loss of judgement AND truth

scripture is plain as it can be...it's not some high wire act with folks falling on one side or the other

the issue is saying it is always wrong or always not ok...I got what you said...read it, understood it, remember it

but folks are saying it is a sin to have ANY

look at what Magenta is saying...does she sound like someone who does not get the issue...?

See post 658.