The thing is my friend, I have responsibilities that must be attended to such as work, household chores, shopping, etc. On days that I work I don't stay on CC very long as I go to bed early because I get up for work early. At this point I'm not even sure what we are discussing. Really, I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong about anything. I believe my original point was in response to my post that you quoted stating that I rely on the church for spiritual guidance or something like that. As I have already stated, I don't rely on the church for anything but rather rely on the Word of God. Take care and God bless.
Are these beliefs sufficient for salvation?
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Intellectual assent to a set of propositions is not what saves you. Now if you believe all that with your heart and it results in regeneration, then it is enough for salvation.
We are not saved by faith. We are saved by Grace THROUGH faith. Saving is something that God does, ie justification, regeneration, adoption, sanctification, preservation, and glorification. Belief is what we do as a result of receiving the gift of faith. But it is not what we do that saves us. It is God's work that saves us.
We are not saved by faith. We are saved by Grace THROUGH faith. Saving is something that God does, ie justification, regeneration, adoption, sanctification, preservation, and glorification. Belief is what we do as a result of receiving the gift of faith. But it is not what we do that saves us. It is God's work that saves us.
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1 Corinthians 15:1-8
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
Acts 10:34-43
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
1 Corinthians 1:18-24
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
Acts 10:34-43
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 1 Corinthians 1:18-24
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Jesus himself stated in John 3:6 that That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
He carefully distinguished between the 2 and they are far apart from each other.
I believe we are a Trinity, just like God. We are a spirit, we possess a soul and we live in a body.
The flesh resides in our body, which has been corrupted by Adam's disobedience. If you want to be technical about it, Paul's calls all these sins we commit after we are saved as "works of the flesh", as contrasted to fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5.
To me, its quite clear why he distinguished them since he made it clear in Romans that since sin cannot be imputed to us when we are not under law (Romans 5:13 and Romans 6:8), God cannot see sin in our spirit.
He carefully distinguished between the 2 and they are far apart from each other.
I believe we are a Trinity, just like God. We are a spirit, we possess a soul and we live in a body.
The flesh resides in our body, which has been corrupted by Adam's disobedience. If you want to be technical about it, Paul's calls all these sins we commit after we are saved as "works of the flesh", as contrasted to fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5.
To me, its quite clear why he distinguished them since he made it clear in Romans that since sin cannot be imputed to us when we are not under law (Romans 5:13 and Romans 6:8), God cannot see sin in our spirit.
Would you prefer I go around telling all those people, who doctrine I disagree with, that they are unsaved, their doctrine is false, like what you are doing?
Keep it cordial and friendly, understand that all of us interpret Bible differently and to each of us, truth is what we perceive it as. That is the reason why I use the smiley faces in intellectual debates in forums such as this.
Keep it cordial and friendly, understand that all of us interpret Bible differently and to each of us, truth is what we perceive it as. That is the reason why I use the smiley faces in intellectual debates in forums such as this.
Again, no one is saying works of the flesh are okay.
It is so interesting how whenever you preach the true Gospel of Grace, people keep misunderstanding your point. I can understand better how the Apostle Paul must have felt.
It is so interesting how whenever you preach the true Gospel of Grace, people keep misunderstanding your point. I can understand better how the Apostle Paul must have felt.
I love these kinds of questions, maybe because they cause us to examine our heart and the state of our faith that dwells in our hearts.
I am so grateful for Him and His word. Jeremiah 15:16 (such a good one)
And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 ESV
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.
Revelation 3:20 ESV
But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
Romans 10:8-11 ESV
Trust in the Lord forever, for the Lord God is an everlasting rock.
Isaiah 26:4 ESV
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 5:24 ESV
We see in these verses and in so many more the simplicity of the Gospel, the calling of our Lord. I often get myself in a heap of sludge trying to figure Hi.all out, such a silly child of His; but He reminds me over and over, to just trust Him, take my time here, getting to know Him, more and more, that we have an eternity together. I don't claim to have it all figured out, and thanks be to Him, i don't need to. His ways are not mine. I will just be thankful for His mercies new every day. I will continue to lean in and on Him. I think head knowledge has its beautiful and inspiring place, but it will never have the priceless position that a Heart for our Lord and Savior has. I think it is the heart with Him that brings us home. It inspires actions and thoughts of His Love and mercy. It is He and He alone that will present us blameless. I take a deep breath of Yahweh, because I know every breath is His. Thank you Lord for taking the heart stone and giving me heart where you dwell.
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
Jude 1:24-25 ESV
I am so grateful for Him and His word. Jeremiah 15:16 (such a good one)
And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 ESV
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.
Revelation 3:20 ESV
But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
Romans 10:8-11 ESV
Trust in the Lord forever, for the Lord God is an everlasting rock.
Isaiah 26:4 ESV
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 5:24 ESV
We see in these verses and in so many more the simplicity of the Gospel, the calling of our Lord. I often get myself in a heap of sludge trying to figure Hi.all out, such a silly child of His; but He reminds me over and over, to just trust Him, take my time here, getting to know Him, more and more, that we have an eternity together. I don't claim to have it all figured out, and thanks be to Him, i don't need to. His ways are not mine. I will just be thankful for His mercies new every day. I will continue to lean in and on Him. I think head knowledge has its beautiful and inspiring place, but it will never have the priceless position that a Heart for our Lord and Savior has. I think it is the heart with Him that brings us home. It inspires actions and thoughts of His Love and mercy. It is He and He alone that will present us blameless. I take a deep breath of Yahweh, because I know every breath is His. Thank you Lord for taking the heart stone and giving me heart where you dwell.
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
Jude 1:24-25 ESV
That is why I was saying the issue of justification is not an easy topic to wrap your head around it. Romans 5:12-19 made it clear that sin was introduced because of Adam's disobedience. God rejected all of Adam's descendants not because of their individual sins but because of the sin nature they inherited from Adam.
Only when you fully understand this, then you can also understand that it was Christ's obedience that grant you justification. The blood of bulls and goats was enough to cover sins for a year but Christ's blood is powerful enough to grant all who believe in him eternal justification, allowing all to have no more consciousness of sins.
Only when you fully understand this, then you can also understand that it was Christ's obedience that grant you justification. The blood of bulls and goats was enough to cover sins for a year but Christ's blood is powerful enough to grant all who believe in him eternal justification, allowing all to have no more consciousness of sins.
Of course not, if my works of the flesh can make me go to hell after I have been justified by Jesus's obedience, then Jesus would not have been raised from the dead.
God raised Jesus from the dead as the divine receipt that all my sins have been paid for. Romans 4:25 1 Corinthians 15:17
God raised Jesus from the dead as the divine receipt that all my sins have been paid for. Romans 4:25 1 Corinthians 15:17
Than how do you explain this verse
1 Corinthians 6:9
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”
Rev 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that
Those who agree with the standards of God will resist sin..
But no one will be able to cease sinning 100% of the time..
Therefore the grace of Jesus covers us for all the sins we have sinned or will sin..
Christians have eternal existence with God because they have all their sins forgiven..
If a person does not have the covering of the grace of Jesus that person will never have eternal life with God.. Even if they strive each day to stop sinning.. Because again no one ever completely ceases to sin.. The standards of God is Perfection/ 100% ... 99% is a failure when it comes to the measure of God.. No human is perfect so therefore all humans need the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ..
But no one will be able to cease sinning 100% of the time..
Therefore the grace of Jesus covers us for all the sins we have sinned or will sin..
Christians have eternal existence with God because they have all their sins forgiven..
If a person does not have the covering of the grace of Jesus that person will never have eternal life with God.. Even if they strive each day to stop sinning.. Because again no one ever completely ceases to sin.. The standards of God is Perfection/ 100% ... 99% is a failure when it comes to the measure of God.. No human is perfect so therefore all humans need the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ..
We are deemed righteous by believing and trusting in the rightious Words and Act of Jesus..
Romans 5: KJV
17 "For if by one man’s offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. {18} Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. {19} For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."
Romans 4: KJV
5 "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. {6} Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, {7} Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. {8} Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."
Romans 5: KJV
17 "For if by one man’s offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. {18} Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. {19} For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."
Romans 4: KJV
5 "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. {6} Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, {7} Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. {8} Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."