Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

[CS1]

I don't believe Pentecost was ever a denomination, the structures are wrong just as all denominational structures are wrong. So once more the new wine is poured into old wineskins ... the Holy Spirit will not be ruled by men and if'n He wants to minister through a woman He will.

that is true but please note the church too was called the church of Corinth and Laodicea, Philadelphia.
No one can control God anyway so I do not think denominations were founded to do so. I have said that women are used by God and can preach and teach, according to the word of God. It is in context to leadership where men are to take the lead as a normative.

The sad thing is many women have put men to shame. And the Holy Spirit uses yielding people man and women.

 

[Major]

Let's have a look at this

There is no argument from me that all who are born again have received the Holy Spirit ... but that is not the same as being baptised in Him as we see in Samaria. Jesus said "out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water" or what need would Paul have of urging the church to be filled every day with the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit can be quenched and He can be grieved. If churches turn to another gospel Christ is of no avail to them, they fall away from grace ... they are still saved but they are as Paul says carnal christians.

There were those who Paul says he could not treat as spiritual for they were carnal.

So even if christians receive the Holy Spirit when they are saved many [perhaps most] do not go on with Him but fall back to mere church attendance and good manners. The fault is the leadership and the structures of the various denominations.

The Holy Spirit will not be led by men.

"These signs shall follow those who BELIEVE" Stephen BELIEVED and God did great signs and miracles by his hand ... he was not one of the eleven.

Yes Corinthians was a letter of correction in the correct use of the gifts ... so there is a correct use and an incorrect use of the gifts. Never-the-less the gifts were to be operated by the individual members of the assembly. One will prophesy, one will work miracles, one will [or 2 - 3 ] will speak in other tongues while another has the ability to interpret, Same Spirit.

We are not to go by your experiences we are to go by the bible. I was saved and baptised in the Holy Spirit in my own home.

God will give you what you believe Him for in accordance with His promise. If you do not so much as hear about the gift of the Holy Spirit you prolly won't get it. It's according to the fulness of the gospel you heard when you first believed. What we all ought to make certain of is "does what I received match up to what they received in the bible" I put it to you that in many cases it does not.

The Holy Spirit is nothing to do with human emotions, zippo

Even if we speak of Joy or peace it is not human joy or human peace, it is an overflowing joy and a peace which passeth all understanding. The love we receive is love poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. These things constitute what ought to be the normal christian experience.

We can see that men like John and Charles Wesley or Whitefield or Bunyan or Spurgeon or Corrie ten Boom experienced these things ... how few do relatively ... but it is for EVERYONE.

As you say the bible is the litmus test ... let us be SURE what we have is what they had in the bible.

I think it is impossible to feign speaking a foreign language. it will just be gibberish "bananamanana" but to speak a language with rhythm and cadences and enunciation is as far as I know impossible. If some are satisfied with gibberish that is up to them.

I want bible tongues and interpretation.

This all a very good debate BUT it has nothing to do with the thread in view. Why don;t you start this thread and allow others to join in instead of hi-jacking this thread with your own opinions????

 

[Evmur]

This all a very good debate BUT it has nothing to do with the thread in view. Why don;t you start this thread and allow others to join in instead of hi-jacking this thread with your own opinions????

hey come off it, you were the one who side tracked.

 

[Funkus]

one way to do it is to not have a pastor or elder role in the church officially
that get's round many of the problems, since there's no verse that commands there to be an elder appointed
sure, Titus 1:5 says appoint one in every town but if there's already one in your town in another church that doesn't apply
women speaking fall into the prophecying and praying role which is permitted. A woman who exhorts and prophetically interprets scripture is permitted

 

[Angela53510]

WRONG!

The Pentecostal - AOG- does not follow the Bible directions of 1 Timothy, but the Southern Baptist Convention does!

Just so you will not argue that point...............

"Southern Baptists yesterday voted to effectively ban female pastors, part of a broader shift toward codifying a more fundamentalist philosophy for the nation's largest and most visible Protestant denomination.

At their annual convention in Orlando, leaders of the 15.8 million-member denomination voted overwhelmingly to revise the Baptist Faith and Message Statement--the closest thing the faith has to an official creed--to oppose homosexuality, adultery, pornography, abortion and "all manner of deviant and pagan sexuality," as well as limit the office of pastor to men."

Source: Southern Baptists Vote To Ban Female Pastors - The Washington Post

Not sure why this is news! The SBC has not ordained women ever! There was a time when it was opening up, but the Conservative Takeover stopped any ideas about that. The Baptist Faith and Message of 2000 makes it clear that no women are allowed in this old boy's club!

I attended an SBC seminary, and wrote about this issue 15 years ago! It was a done deal, and women MDiv student were not allowed to preach on Seminary Day, but the men were. I started to look into the issue, and found many books, even from evangelicals and Baptists who were in favour of ordaining women. For my part, there is no Scripture anywhere in the Bible that says a woman can't be a leader, and there are many examples of women in leadership, although the misogynists in this group try to rationalize every example.

So, no news from that article. This has been the practice of the SBC as long as it has been a condemnation.

Of course, there was Lottie Moon, who went to China as a called missionary of God and a single woman. She was limited to speaking to women and children, although the men who were hungry for God would sit on the outside of the building and listen to her preach the gospel. One man got saved through her ministry, became an evangelist and led 10,000 people (men?) to the Lord.

Then Lottie, in a trip back to the US, was speaking to women's groups and getting donations to help their mission in China, and she raised a substantial sum of money. The next year, women's groups did the same offering, but it was so lucrative (and still is!) that the SBC took it over, and it is a main source of money for the IMB (International Mission Board!).

But some of you legalistic types, had you been alive in the late 1800 century, probably would have stopped Lottie going to China as a missionary, and not allowed her to collect money. Oh right! They tried that in her, but she obeyed God rather than men! Of course, today the Lottie Moon fund is in all the churches, and even men can contribute.

A lot of you are going to feel dumb when Jesus returns on Judgment Day, and Jesus asks you why you hindered the ministries of women that he had called, and interfered with his mission to spread the gospel, and followed the devil and performed his works!

 

[Major]

Not sure why this is news! The SBC has not ordained women ever! There was a time when it was opening up, but the Conservative Takeover stopped any ideas about that. The Baptist Faith and Message of 2000 makes it clear that no women are allowed in this old boy's club!

I attended an SBC seminary, and wrote about this issue 15 years ago! It was a done deal, and women MDiv student were not allowed to preach on Seminary Day, but the men were. I started to look into the issue, and found many books, even from evangelicals and Baptists who were in favour of ordaining women. For my part, there is no Scripture anywhere in the Bible that says a woman can't be a leader, and there are many examples of women in leadership, although the misogynists in this group try to rationalize every example.

So, no news from that article. This has been the practice of the SBC as long as it has been a condemnation.

Of course, there was Lottie Moon, who went to China as a called missionary of God and a single woman. She was limited to speaking to women and children, although the men who were hungry for God would sit on the outside of the building and listen to her preach the gospel. One man got saved through her ministry, became an evangelist and led 10,000 people (men?) to the Lord.

Then Lottie, in a trip back to the US, was speaking to women's groups and getting donations to help their mission in China, and she raised a substantial sum of money. The next year, women's groups did the same offering, but it was so lucrative (and still is!) that the SBC took it over, and it is a main source of money for the IMB (International Mission Board!).

But some of you legalistic types, had you been alive in the late 1800 century, probably would have stopped Lottie going to China as a missionary, and not allowed her to collect money. Oh right! They tried that in her, but she obeyed God rather than men! Of course, today the Lottie Moon fund is in all the churches, and even men can contribute.

A lot of you are going to feel dumb when Jesus returns on Judgment Day, and Jesus asks you why you hindered the ministries of women that he had called, and interfered with his mission to spread the gospel, and followed the devil and performed his works!

I am very glad to hear that you have been educated in the correct Bible understanding which the SBC promotes. I hope that your education will bless others as you effectively serve Christ wherever you are.

Now the reason why this has been a doctrine and practice of the SBC is because the decision is based on the LITERAL Word of God. IMHO...the SBC does a better job of reading and understanding what the Scriptures actually do say than any other Christian denomination which is why I belong to a SBC church

And a LOT of us will stand before the Lord Jesus Christ on judgment day and hear Him say.......
"WELL DONE my good and faithful servants."!

 

[ChoirLoft]

Paul denies women the authority to preach and teach.

Remember that it was Eve who was tempted in the Garden. It was Eve who embraced the lies of satan and seduced her husband into following her in SIN. The pattern continues to this day. Women demand their rights, but refuse to acknowledge their guilt or their proper place in the kingdom of heaven. They continue to follow satan into error and SIN.

It was the man, Jesus, who had to die for our SINs in order to redeem us from satan's power.

The misandric attitude of American women has infected even the churches and their ideology. The Bible gives us the truth, but there are few who abide by it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[Funkus]

Choir, but they can pray and prophecy in church, that's almost preaching. i mean prophetically speaking about a word of scripture is kind of like preaching.

it reminds me of the time I complained about the preacher Joyce Mayer to a female Christian, my complaint was that she drones on and on and it's so boring. Well my friend turned around and agreed with me. But she wasn't used to hearing a complaint made against a pastor, why are these people on pedestals? Isn't long winded nonsense unbiblical or pastor worship? Women wanting to do unbiblical stuff like the men do

That misandric attitude you speak of lets say that comes from the world's feminist movement or hatched from there, well, they just stole all that from Jesus then tried to make out they invented it. Anything good about what they say they stole from Jesus the west based it's idea on him!

 

[Major]

Paul denies women the authority to preach and teach.

Remember that it was Eve who was tempted in the Garden. It was Eve who embraced the lies of satan and seduced her husband into following her in SIN. The pattern continues to this day. Women demand their rights, but refuse to acknowledge their guilt or their proper place in the kingdom of heaven. They continue to follow satan into error and SIN.

It was the man, Jesus, who had to die for our SINs in order to redeem us from satan's power.

The misandric attitude of American women has infected even the churches and their ideology. The Bible gives us the truth, but there are few who abide by it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

What you are referring to is the "FEMINIZATION" of the western world at the expense of the Word of God.......PEROID!

 

[SophieT]

A lot of you are going to feel dumb when Jesus returns on Judgment Day, and Jesus asks you why you hindered the ministries of women that he had called, and interfered with his mission to spread the gospel, and followed the devil and performed his works!

true. 'I'm a southern Baptist is not going to go over too well'

 

[Angela53510]

What you are referring to is the "FEMINIZATION" of the western world at the expense of the Word of God.......PEROID!

PERIOD! Nothing like an arrogant man, who can't even spell a grade 6 word!

 

[Major]

PERIOD! Nothing like an arrogant man, who can't even spell a grade 6 word!

And that kind That misandric attitude you displayed is what I was referring to.

You can not accept the message from God so go after the messenger. Novel!

 

[SophieT]

You can not accept the message from God so go after the messenger. Novel!

it's just you

she does not have that problem with God

after the last few days exchanging posts with you and your arrogant attitude, I know she has you pegged just right

 

[mustaphadrink]

The word (Pastor) would be seen comparable to (Bishop) and yes this (Bishop) has the duty of being in (Leadership) taking care of the Church

Just curious, do you follow the teachings of (Watchman Nee) in the Local Church?

1 Timothy 3:1-5KJV
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

I don't need to follow anyone's teaching as I have spent two years writng a disertation for a Ph.D. on the subject and that included a reading list of over 60 books. If i can't work something out for myself afrer doing that I might as well not have bothered.

 

[mustaphadrink]

The Holy Spirit promotes speaking in tongues, doing signs and wonders, healing etc He also promotes participation by women in ministry ... why are you opposed to the Holy Spirit?

The Holy Spirit promotes speaking in tongues, doing signs and wonders, healing etc. Where do you get the idea that is what is being opposed in a thread about female pastors?

He also promotes participation by women in ministry. No one has said he doesn't.

why are you opposed to the Holy Spirit? Why do you keep raising red herrings?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The Holy Spirit promotes speaking in tongues, doing signs and wonders, healing etc. Where do you get the idea that is what is being opposed in a thread about female pastors?

He also promotes participation by women in ministry. No one has said he doesn't.

why are you opposed to the Holy Spirit? Why do you keep raising red herrings?

It's not a red herring. The author of the OP of this thread also has a witch-hunting thread against those who speak in tongues
and what else? Another one attacking Pentecostals.

He is a pharisaical heresy hunter. A Southern Baptist perhaps? Trying to impose his denominational religious constrictions on all Christians.
Meanwhile the church in the real world is facing real problems. We don't need religious windbags tying our hands.

 

[SophieT]

It's not a red herring. The author of the OP of this thread also has a witch-hunting thread against those who speak in tongues
and what else? Another one attacking Pentecostals.

He is a pharisaical heresy hunter. A Southern Baptist perhaps? Trying to impose his denominational religious constrictions on all Christians.
Meanwhile the church in the real world is facing real problems. We don't need religious windbags tying our hands.

Southern Baptist and witch hunting in every thread he creates

fancies himself doing God a favor

thankfully he cannot actually tie anyone's hands (well maybe in his church but people can pray in tongues silently as well as we know) I am not particularly fond of the type of church he represents but I don't go around bashing them and creating threads as to why they are doing the devil's work...apart from what I just said of course

 

[SophieT]

It is not my intention to cause an argument or division among the faithful with that question just discussion in a Christian and civil manner.

the above his opening sentence 135 pages back

smh

 

[Evmur]

Southern Baptist and witch hunting in every thread he creates

fancies himself doing God a favor

thankfully he cannot actually tie anyone's hands (well maybe in his church but people can pray in tongues silently as well as we know) I am not particularly fond of the type of church he represents but I don't go around bashing them and creating threads as to why they are doing the devil's work...apart from what I just said of course

The Holy Spirit promotes speaking in tongues, doing signs and wonders, healing etc. Where do you get the idea that is what is being opposed in a thread about female pastors?

He also promotes participation by women in ministry. No one has said he doesn't.

why are you opposed to the Holy Spirit? Why do you keep raising red herrings?

ummmm red herrings

 

[mustaphadrink]

Choir, but they can pray and prophecy in church, that's almost preaching. i mean prophetically speaking about a word of scripture is kind of like preaching.

it reminds me of the time I complained about the preacher Joyce Mayer to a female Christian, my complaint was that she drones on and on and it's so boring. Well my friend turned around and agreed with me. But she wasn't used to hearing a complaint made against a pastor, why are these people on pedestals? Isn't long winded nonsense unbiblical or pastor worship? Women wanting to do unbiblical stuff like the men do

That misandric attitude you speak of lets say that comes from the world's feminist movement or hatched from there, well, they just stole all that from Jesus then tried to make out they invented it. Anything good about what they say they stole from Jesus the west based it's idea on him!

Prophesying is not almost preaching. It is a specific gift of the Spirit and has a different purpose to preaching and Ephesians 4:11 does not talk about preaching. Please stop reading into scripture that which is not there.