Bible Prophecy and End Times ( Mathew 24 )

[vassal]

Any news on when they are gonna start building the new temple?

I personally believe that the Temple Mount is an old Roman fortress, and if that is correct, they could immediately start building the temple in the City of David, which where some speculate the real Temple Mount is located. I guess will have to leave it up to the experts though.

yes i know about this also. the orthodox Jews are in power and have now the Sanhedrin, they are in power and I know they believe the correct site is on temple mount But like you I believe it has to be in the city of David that they are excavating now.

 

[kinda]

I came to the conclusion not too long ago avter many years of watching events there that they want to get rid of all Palestinians, after Gaza they are moving to other Palestinian territories and will do the same thing, they want back the Land that was given to them by God. around 2019, Israeli policies have increasingly shifted on temple mount and Jewish prayer at the site once forbidden, has quietly been permitted under police protection. this is a major shift. I did verify and there is enough space to build a temple or tabernacle on temple mount but they will not do it until Hamas had been crushed and Israel has full control of the region surrounding the temple mount, I believe they are doing this now in preparation to rebuild the temple.

If is a shame and great evil that Hamas is doing, Palestinians and Jews were getting along OK before Hamas. Hamas is not for the Palestinian people but will have them all killed. Hamas is terrorising and forcing normal peaceful Palestinians to rebellion against israel, under the penalty of death, if they come to you a Palestinian and ask you to join them ot give you something to do you better do it or they kill you or your family, ( the son of a palestinian leader said this publicly in an interview ) they are hostages right now of Israel and Hamas they are in a really bad place right now.

The end times are approaching the good News is the Return of Christ!

Yes, we are blessed generation, all the modern conveniences, and watching Bible Prophecy unfold.

Donald Trump is pro Israel, if there ever was a president to back an Israeli war, it will be him.

 

[kinda]

yes i know about this also. the orthodox Jews are in power and have now the Sanhedrin, they are in power and I know they believe the correct site is on temple mount But like you I believe it has to be in the city of David that they are excavating now.

Totally exciting about the City of David. I want to goto Israel, just to see the City of David. Do you think every Christian should goto Israel? Maybe we should have a CC meet up there? lol

 

[vassal]

True. Three questions were asked.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.


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Clearly there are stones stacked up here. Do you think Jesus was referring to just the temple, or the Temple Mount as well?

City of David. Stones are still stacked.

To me it would make more sense, that at the end times, ,when the works of the world are burned up, that would be when Matthew 24 is fulfilled.

2nd Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.[a]

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.[b] That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

Matthew 24

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.




So, where is the split in Matthew? I don't know. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here.

I'm open to ideas. I get what you are saying. I think it makes more sense, if it's referring to the end times strictly, but I'm not discounting what you believe entirely, because I don't know for sure. It's an interesting perspective.

How do you account of the stones? You must see it as just the actual temple stones and not any of the foundational stones, because clearly, no matter where you see the Temple Mount, there are still stones stacked on each other.

I'm not claiming authority just sorting it out in my head here.

When Jesus said, “There shall not be left here one stone upon another,” He was speaking about the Temple building itself, not every stone anywhere on the Mount. The disciples had just shown Him the Temple buildings, the courts, and the structures that Herod had built (Matthew 24:1). Jesus answered directly about those buildings.

History shows this came true exactly. In the year 70, the Romans burned the Temple, the gold inside melted, and soldiers pulled apart the stones to get the metal. The upper structure was completely torn down. What remains today is not the Temple. It is the retaining wall that supported the platform. Jesus did not say those walls would fall. He spoke about the buildings the disciples were admiring.

So the prophecy is fulfilled without forcing it onto the end of the world.

Your second question is about the “split” in Matthew 24. Jesus speaks about two different things in one chapter. The first part describes the fall of Jerusalem, which happened in that generation just as He said (Matthew 24:34). The second part speaks of His return, which is still in the future. Jesus Himself shows the shift when He says, “But of that day and hour no one knows” (Matthew 24:36). The fall of Jerusalem had signs. His return will come suddenly.

About 2 Peter 3, it speaks about the final judgment and the renewal of the heavens and the earth. That is a different event than the fall of the Temple. Jesus never said the stones of the Temple would survive until the end of the world. He said the Temple of their day would be destroyed, and it was.

The stones we see today do not break Jesus’ prophecy. They are not Temple stones. They are support walls and later constructions.

So Jesus’ words stand true. The first part of Matthew 24 was fulfilled in their generation. The final return and the fire of the last day are still to come. Jesus’ words never fail, and the fulfillment of both parts will be exactly as He said.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Clearly there are stones stacked up here. Do you think Jesus was referring to just the temple, or the Temple Mount as well?

The western wall is the base of the Roman encampment. The temple was further south on Mt Zion, where there is absolutely no trace that the temple ever existed there, thus fulfilling Jesus' prophecy. A book called The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot explains the misidentification

https://www.askelm.com/TempBook/index.asp

 

[vassal]

Totally exciting about the City of David. I want to goto Israel, just to see the City of David. Do you think every Christian should goto Israel? Maybe we should have a CC meet up there? lol

I like the idea of going also and would love to see Jerusalem.

 

[homwardbound]

Does anyone think we are in the End Times, if so what scripture do you think is being filled currently. For the record, I'm not sure we are living in the End Times, but this could be a great discussion.

With the invention of the internet and the airplane, hasn't the Gospel been preached around the world? Mathew 24:12 seems to be fulfilled in our current time. Just from personal experience. How do you see it? We might be in the generation of being offended. It seems many people are offended just by believing in a different view point. I don't know. It's crazy world.

What do you think the Abomination of Desolation is? Do you think it already occurred, or do you think it's a future event? What do you think the Mark of the Beast is?


Mathew Chapter 24


3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand


29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

For me, I see, decided not to go into when. Why? Because Father be my lead, to do daily as led, not go ahead and want or need, even have to know why?
I trust God, in risen Son for me, my way, standing in God's truth in love and mercy. Standing in Thanksgiving and praise seeing sin taken away Psalm 103:12 Done ny Son John 19:30, 1:29 Asked, God for the new life in the risen Son. god gives freely at no charge, I believe, God gave and I got, so do all who sincerely believe God too, thanks.
Oh, he is risen the End began then being risen. I see many things unfolding, and standing in love and mercy daily to all.
I still need God daily

 

[kinda]

When Jesus said, “There shall not be left here one stone upon another,” He was speaking about the Temple building itself, not every stone anywhere on the Mount. The disciples had just shown Him the Temple buildings, the courts, and the structures that Herod had built (Matthew 24:1). Jesus answered directly about those buildings.

History shows this came true exactly. In the year 70, the Romans burned the Temple, the gold inside melted, and soldiers pulled apart the stones to get the metal. The upper structure was completely torn down. What remains today is not the Temple. It is the retaining wall that supported the platform. Jesus did not say those walls would fall. He spoke about the buildings the disciples were admiring.

So the prophecy is fulfilled without forcing it onto the end of the world.

Your second question is about the “split” in Matthew 24. Jesus speaks about two different things in one chapter. The first part describes the fall of Jerusalem, which happened in that generation just as He said (Matthew 24:34). The second part speaks of His return, which is still in the future. Jesus Himself shows the shift when He says, “But of that day and hour no one knows” (Matthew 24:36). The fall of Jerusalem had signs. His return will come suddenly.

About 2 Peter 3, it speaks about the final judgment and the renewal of the heavens and the earth. That is a different event than the fall of the Temple. Jesus never said the stones of the Temple would survive until the end of the world. He said the Temple of their day would be destroyed, and it was.

The stones we see today do not break Jesus’ prophecy. They are not Temple stones. They are support walls and later constructions.

So Jesus’ words stand true. The first part of Matthew 24 was fulfilled in their generation. The final return and the fire of the last day are still to come. Jesus’ words never fail, and the fulfillment of both parts will be exactly as He said.

If you believe this, than Matthew 24 doesn't really flow chronologically, but I will let it go. People are entitled to believe what they
want. Like I said, I'm not the authority, just thinking...

In Matthew 30-31 Jesus returns, but Matthew 34 is referring to this generation shall not pass until it's fulfilled. To me it's clearly referring to a future generation, because Jesus didn't return during the disciples generation, not unless we are talking about a 2,000 year old generation.

How do you fit these scriptures in a chronological order, if your way of thinking. Some scriptures would have to in the past, and some in the future. Once again, it makes more sense to me, if it's all in the last days of mankind.

Once again, this is an open discussion. Judgement free zone.


Matthew 24
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[kinda]

The western wall is the base of the Roman encampment. The temple was further south on Mt Zion, where there is absolutely no trace that the temple ever existed there, thus fulfilling Jesus' prophecy. A book called The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot explains the misidentification

https://www.askelm.com/TempBook/index.asp

• "Original designation: In the Old Testament, the term "Mount Zion" initially referred to the fortress on the southeastern hill that David conquered and called the "City of David"."

 

[kinda]

I like the idea of going also and would love to see Jerusalem.

Yeah, maybe it would bring the Bible to life in some ways.

 

[NightTwister]

*Current head of the Catholic Church is from Chicago, Vice President is a Catholic, most of the Supreme Court is Catholic. It wouldn't take much for Catholic control of the U.S.. Nancy Pelosi is Catholic I believe. Who you think the anti-Christ is? Do you think the head of the Catholic Church will be the false prophet? Catholic Church has both political power in Vatican City and religious authority over Catholics.

This is so 1960...

 

[Dino246]

What do you wanna know?, ask me

He just did.

smh…

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

End Times thoughts?

Thanks for asking; it Depends which you are referring to?:

In God's ( earthly ) Context of prophecy / Covenants / law

Christ, the Humble Servant ( on earth ) taught the gospel of
the kingdom to 12 apostles, for the Twelve tribes of Israel...
(Matthew - John)

End Times = TOJT (Time Of Jacob's Trouble) for Israel, As Prophesied in:

Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation = future, by at least one second!​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

In God's Other ( Heavenly ) Context Of Grace, According To His
"Revelation Of The Mystery" (Romans - Philemon)

Christ, The Glorified Lord Of Heaven Revealed to One apostle, The
Gospel Of The Grace Of God, for The One Body Of Christ...

"But Now" is possibly "the latter times" (see 1 Timothy 4:1 cp 2 Timothy 3:13 AV)
Of The Current Dispensation Of Grace, Which Will Be:

Ending In (Imminent = Could Be At ANY Moment! ) ​

God's Great GRACE Departure! {aka rapture} ​

​

[ Then, One Second Later, the above Prophesied TOJT Begins! ]​

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Please Be Encouraged And Edified In The
Lord Jesus Christ, and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided!

Amen.

 

[AnOldLady]

Studying the End Times is fascinating for sure. It's not a waste of time, and every word that proceeds from the Eternal God provides life to us. Gathering the thoughts of fellow believers about what they study is useful, because sometimes it gives an enlightening perspective, and sometimes it gives evidence of our error. I sometimes call this the study of the common human experience, and it's useful and precious to see the world through the eyes of another, whether the view causes us to agree with them or not.

There are 2 things to keep in mind:
1. We don't know for sure how the data we have (from Scripture) will look when it forms the picture of reality. Still, it is useful to study and consider, knowing that we can trust Him completely, and knowing that His word won't return without accomplishing what He sent it to do. As to understanding what we read and thinking we've figured it all out, obviously some come up with this picture and some with that picture. The difference in conclusions is likely influenced by many factors, including individual life experiences and current events, which may or may not be part of the actual END Times. Keeping a humble stance is probably beneficial. Which leads me to
2. Knowing these things, what manner of people ought we to be? (2Peter 3.11) Does the study of God's plan for the End encourage us to be the people doing the plan of God today?

It's always a joy to see someone using their brain cells! Keep up the good work!

 

[Me_Clay]

Studying the End Times is fascinating for sure. It's not a waste of time, and every word that proceeds from the Eternal God provides life to us. Gathering the thoughts of fellow believers about what they study is useful, because sometimes it gives an enlightening perspective, and sometimes it gives evidence of our error. I sometimes call this the study of the common human experience, and it's useful and precious to see the world through the eyes of another, whether the view causes us to agree with them or not.

There are 2 things to keep in mind:
1. We don't know for sure how the data we have (from Scripture) will look when it forms the picture of reality. Still, it is useful to study and consider, knowing that we can trust Him completely, and knowing that His word won't return without accomplishing what He sent it to do. As to understanding what we read and thinking we've figured it all out, obviously some come up with this picture and some with that picture. The difference in conclusions is likely influenced by many factors, including individual life experiences and current events, which may or may not be part of the actual END Times. Keeping a humble stance is probably beneficial. Which leads me to
2. Knowing these things, what manner of people ought we to be? (2Peter 3.11) Does the study of God's plan for the End encourage us to be the people doing the plan of God today?

It's always a joy to see someone using their brain cells! Keep up the good work!

So sorry, I dont know what you're saying here? Do you know where you're going after you die?

 

[AnOldLady]

So sorry, I dont know what you're saying here? Do you know where you're going after you die?

That's a great question but it would be a topic for another post. The OP was asking about the study of end time prophesy.

 

[Blue155]

Matthew 24 has different views, but they all cannot be right.

 

[Blue155]

Some biblical topics are complex, mysterious, especially concerning prophetic passages of things that either have or have not unfolded. There will always be a point at which we disagree on certain things. Praise God there won’t be an exam on how well you understood Revelation, Daniel or Ezekiel’s vision, or other prophets, such as Zechariah, Joel 3, etc etc in order to go to heaven on judgment day.

I think even in disagreements there can be common ground and unity to be found or worked with. I don’t think God will condemn us if we are incorrect on what a prophet wrote about, but I guess it depends on what exactly one would be incorrect about and what they are believing about it. I also believe it’s possible to be mistaken but not be in error, or for a verse to have more than one biblical application that does no harm to one’s soul.

Having a strong relationship with Jesus is far more important than understanding prophecy. The best we can do is be ready for Him (Mt. 24:44; Lk. 12:40), fix our eyes on Him (Heb. 12:2, 5:9) and spread God’s love to all, just as He spread His for the entire world (John 3:16). This type of love that we are to have distinguishes us from the dark world, as it’s a light that glorifies God and can lead one to salvation (Matt. 5:16; Is. 49:6; Acts 13:47). Some of the Jews who rejected Jesus didn’t know or believe in Him until the events after the cross. Since they had access to the Old Testament scriptures (Jn. 5:39; Mk. 12:10; Nehemiah 7:2; 2 Kings 22:8) still had an incorrect understanding about the prophecies concerning Jesus (Jn. 10:20, 24-25) and His kingdom (Acts 1:6)—otherwise they would have believed and and not rejected Him (Mk. 8:31; Lk. 9:22)— then who is to say I don’t have some misunderstandings about the prophetic verses as well, or the end times? I’m not going to be arrogant to say I have it completely figured out and understood, because I don’t. There are times where we do not fully understand (Acts 2:39, 10:14) but then later on you’re fully aware (Acts 11:18; 15:7-9; Daniel 8:27).

While prophecy and the end times are important and interesting to discuss, our soul’s salvation is more important (Mk. 8:36-37). One can be completely right about every prophecy in the Bible, but if they are not “in Christ” (Gal. 3:26-27), what good is it? The gospel of Christ is of first importance, which is why Paul delivered it first of all to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 15:3). Some discussions aren’t worth having when there are souls that are still lost and in need of saving.

Having said that, some of the views of prophecy or the end times can be dangerous for one to believe or hold. Other than that, I hope to God that He has mercy on the people who have different views that are not dangerous to the degree of others, but that’s completely up to Him (Rom. 9:15).

We should show modesty and humility about things we do not fully understand, and the things we do understand, we should in humility and meekness, gently correct those who are in opposition of the truth (2 Tim. 2:25; cf. 1 Peter 3:15; Col. 4:6). We ourselves should also be open for correction and instruction, not against it (Prov. 1:7, 22, 8:33-36, 12:1, 15:32, 18:2; Ps. 50:17). If we find ourselves in grave serious error, then we need to change, and conform our beliefs/ways to the truth, even if it goes against what we were always taught.

I think it’s best to find things which we agree on with others who identify as Christian and work from there. Establishing meaningful connections and relationships with others are important. As fascinating as end times or prophecies can be to discuss, if a view does not think beyond or go above that which is written (1 Cor. 4:6) to the point of causing one to be eternally damned, then we should not let it divide.

There are different views on verses, and I suspect whatever one’s view is on the end times is the view one will take on those verses. I’m not saying not to study prophecies concerning the end times or other things, but let us not become obsessed with it to the point that’s all we talk that we lose sight on growing and developing a strong relationship with Jesus and others. In all humility, allow ourselves to show one another the same mercy, kindness, and be gracious to others in the same manner that we would want others to show and do to us (Mt. 7:12).