Biblical headcovering

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Mission21

Mission21

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Interesting topic.
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The first time..I saw the 'head covering.'
- During the chapel service.
- A Mennonite with the head covering.
- in 1980's.
 
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FrancisClare

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Dino246 said:
Another part of my job is entering monthly water usage volumes, so I use the keypad... very quickly.
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Wow. I'm afraid I will never get where you are! Much impressed!
 
tourist

tourist

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Dino246 said:
I type a fair bit in my job so I have built up speed over the years. I'm actually slower on this laptop as it's newer and my fingers are not as accustomed to the keys.
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New and different keyboards slow me down too.
 
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FrancisClare

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Mission21 said:
Interesting topic.
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The first time..I saw the 'head covering.'
- During the chapel service.
- A Mennonite with the head covering.
- in 1980's.
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I didn't grow up with it but became convinced. Curiously, my mother followed me and my father came to hold with it as well and they were Christian scientists - not at all concern with scriptures.
 
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FrancisClare

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I'm awfully glad people are interested in this topic! Such an interesting exchange of ideas!
 
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FrancisClare

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FrancisClare said:
I didn't grow up with it but became convinced. Curiously, my mother followed me and my father came to hold with it as well and they were Christian scientists - not at all concern with scriptures.
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I mean no slight on Christian scientists. But they really are more concerned with Mrs eddy than with scriptures. And I toiled in that field for a great many years. Toyed with becoming a CS practitioner.
 
Lucy-Pevensie

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Blik said:
God looks at our heart, not our head coverings. Before God gave us the new covenant that put his commands in our hearts rather than in the fleshly commandments, it was necessary to cover the head. we are under the new covenant, where we obey with out will and hearts, not earthly commands.

However, I was given a prayer shawl of wool from Israel's sheep and specially blessed. I used it to cover me keeping out the world so I was alone with my God while I meditated on scripture. It was powerful how it worked.

I let no one use my shawl, except one woman who was in the midst of a bipolar episode so extreme she felt suicide was her only way to cope. I explained the shawl was not magic, it was to close out the world and be with God. She said 'That's powerful" when she put it on and her bad episode with bipolar was over.

I feel that using a head covering as a help to be humble before our Lord is not necessary at all, but oh, it is such a help.
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I have one too. I've only used it occasionally in private prayer.
It's more of a beautiful keepsake item. As far as I'm aware it's a man's garment.

I'll remember your comments about using a head covering as a symbol of humilty before God.
That method might come in useful as age gradually makes it more difficult to kneel.
 
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FrancisClare

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Blik said:
God looks at our heart, not our head coverings. Before God gave us the new covenant that put his commands in our hearts rather than in the fleshly commandments, it was necessary to cover the head. we are under the new covenant, where we obey with out will and hearts, not earthly commands.

However, I was given a prayer shawl of wool from Israel's sheep and specially blessed. I used it to cover me keeping out the world so I was alone with my God while I meditated on scripture. It was powerful how it worked.

I let no one use my shawl, except one woman who was in the midst of a bipolar episode so extreme she felt suicide was her only way to cope. I explained the shawl was not magic, it was to close out the world and be with God. She said 'That's powerful" when she put it on and her bad episode with bipolar was over.

I feel that using a head covering as a help to be humble before our Lord is not necessary at all, but oh, it is such a help.
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What a wonderful final thought!
Lucy-Pevensie said:
I have one too. I've only used it occasionally in private prayer.
It's more of a beautiful keepsake item. As far as I'm aware it's a man's garment.

I'll remember your comments about using a head covering as a symbol of humilty before God.
That method might come in useful as age gradually makes it more difficult to kneel.
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Yup! I'm there! And a head covering answers that for me.
 
Nehemiah6

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FrancisClare said:
I believe that women should cover their head and hair to be in obedience to scriptures.
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That is quite clear from 1 Corinthians 11:1-16. The problem is that many churches (perhaps most) do not teach on this passage and its spiritual significance. Therefore many Christian women assume that their hair is their covering. Which is absurd. If the natural hair was the covering spoken of, why would the Holy Spirit devote 16 verses of Scripture to this supposedly inconsequential matter?
 
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FrancisClare

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Nehemiah6 said:
That is quite clear from 1 Corinthians 11:1-16. The problem is that many churches (perhaps most) do not teach on this passage and its spiritual significance. Therefore many Christian women assume that their hair is their covering. Which is absurd. If the natural hair was the covering spoken of, why would the Holy Spirit devote 16 verses of Scripture to this supposedly inconsequential matter?
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Exactly!!!!
 
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FrancisClare

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FrancisClare said:
Exactly!!!!
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That's just it! It can't be inconsequential! And so I feel I must follow it! At some point perhaps we all must say that 'ours is not to reason why' and simply be obedient.
 
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cdan2

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Dino246 said:
There is a recent thread of scholarship that suggests Paul was actually following contemporary medical (mis)understanding in this passage. It is ridiculous to modern readers in its ignorance, but in the Greek/Roman world, they simply did not have anything like the medical knowledge we have now. In short, a woman's hair was considered a sexual organ.
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Well, I have been involved in a lot of men's groups in many different churches across denominational lines (ok, 3 lines). Invariably when the topic of temptation comes up someone will about halfway in say something like "The worst place for temptation is in the sanctuary Sunday morning." Discussion follows and someone else comments they can't quit looking at the women's hair. Everyone there typically agrees on both parts. So organ or not, a woman's hair can be sexy! And the enemy is definitely at work in church when the ladies dress their best and do all kinds of magical things with their hair (I don't even want to know).
 
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FrancisClare

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cdan2 said:
Well, I have been involved in a lot of men's groups in many different churches across denominational lines (ok, 3 lines). Invariably when the topic of temptation comes up someone will about halfway in say something like "The worst place for temptation is in the sanctuary Sunday morning." Discussion follows and someone else comments they can't quit looking at the women's hair. Everyone there typically agrees on both parts. So organ or not, a woman's hair can be sexy! And the enemy is definitely at work in church when the ladies dress their best and do all kinds of magical things with their hair (I don't even want to know).
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Chuckle - it can be incredibly beautiful. No argument there.
 
posthuman

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Dino246 said:
For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own[c] head, because of the angels.
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i am interested to know what this has to do with the angels . . ?
 
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FrancisClare

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posthuman said:
i am interested to know what this has to do with the angels . . ?
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I think its to do with the beauty of the angels. But I really don't know.
 
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FrancisClare

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Dino246 said:
I tend to think it is an oblique reference to Genesis 6:1-4.
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The Nephilem (sp?) and human wickedness. Interesting. Why that in particular?
 
Dino246

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FrancisClare said:
The Nephilem (sp?) and human wickedness. Interesting. Why that in particular?
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Because the "angels who sinned" did so by having relations with human women. Paul may have been making reference to that.
 
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