Born Again Speaking in Tongues

[mailmandan]

being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirt is invalid -“according to them,” even though Jesus Christ clearly stated to do so in Matthew 28:19.

I just noticed this part and was just wondering if mailmandan also considers the part that says "teaching them to obey EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU.. " which I think is the right thing to do instead of rejecting parts of scripture that is against ones doctrine.

Do you believe that only those who speak in tongues are saved? - “no tongues, no indwelling Holy Spirit.” Do you believe that being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirt is an invalid baptism and that we must be water baptized “in Jesus name only”? I absolutely consider Matthew 28:20 - "teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." Sadly, there are those who set out to obey what Jesus has commanded (ON THEIR TERMS, NOT HIS).

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 14:36-40
Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

I am not a Pentecostal but I believe in the gifts of the Spirit in the body of Christ. (1 Corinthians ch 12)

My argument is not about forbidding speaking in tongues, but like I said in post #867, I am concerned about those who pervert the gospel by teaching that ONLY those who speak in tongues are saved - “no tongues, no indwelling Holy Spirit.” So my concern is over the abuse and misuse of tongues and perverting the gospel and not over the gift of tongues in general. The gifts of the Spirit (which are only for the body of Christ) are clearly spelled out in 1 Corinthians 12.

Are we supposed to OBEY EVERYTHING the Lord COMMANDED us to do if we really received the Holy Spirit that will lead us into all TRUTH and will empower and enable us to do them? Just asking.

Yes, we are supposed to strive to obey everything the Lord has commanded, which does not include abusing and misusing tongues and perverting the gospel.

 

[Absolutely]

Wow,page after page of cessationists shooting down acts and Paul.

Such antichrist zeal.

Last days deception.
Cunning and cruel.

Dumping trashcan after trashcan of garbage on the NT

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow,page after page of cessationists shooting down acts and Paul.

Such antichrist zeal.

Last days deception.
Cunning and cruel.

Dumping trashcan after trashcan of garbage on the NT

Who is shooting down acts and paul?

Have you studied pauls giving the gospel in Acts? We studied acts 17 last night when he gave the gospel to the gentiles in Athens, No mention of baptism or tongues anywhere in his message.

We are shooting down the false teachers who claim tongues and baptism is required for salvation.

 

[Absolutely]

Lets see if pentecost is just some obsolete history of a once powerful God and church;
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So Joel frames the last days as moon imto blood and the sun darkened...WHICH HAS NOT YET HAPPENED.
Peter framed pentecost in those same last days.
MEANING IT,PENTECOST,WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE MOON TURNS TO BLOOD....
THE LAST DAYS.
YOU CESSATIONISTS ARE BASICALLY ANTICHRIST

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lets see if pentecost is just some obsolete history of a once powerful God and church;
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So Joel frames the last days as moon imto blood and the sun darkened...WHICH HAS NOT YET HAPPENED.
Peter framed pentecost in those same last days.
MEANING IT,PENTECOST,WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE MOON TURNS TO BLOOD....
THE LAST DAYS.
YOU CESSATIONISTS ARE BASICALLY ANTICHRIST

Yawn

You legalists are satans puppets. (IE back at ya)

What comes around goes around.

 

[Absolutely]

Peter says THIS IS THAT.
Speaking of what Joel frames in the LAST DAYS.
Peter says, basically, we are in the last days, ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST. "This baptism in the Holy Ghost with men as drunken,under the power of God and on fire,speaking in tongues,ACCORDING TO JOEL, WILL CONTINUE,until the moon turns to blood.

NOTHING CEASED.
CESSATIONISTS FALSE PROPHETS CEASED.
SO ironic those babblers of antichrist rhetoric accuse the body of Christ as babblers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Peter says THIS IS THAT.
Speaking of what Joel frames in the LAST DAYS.
Peter says, basically, we are in the last days, ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST. "This baptism in the Holy Ghost with men as drunken,under the power of God and on fire,speaking in tongues,ACCORDING TO JOEL, WILL CONTINUE,until the moon turns to blood.

NOTHING CEASED.
CESSATIONISTS FALSE PROPHETS CEASED.
SO ironic those babblers of antichrist rhetoric accuse the body of Christ as babblers.

I do not how you wiggled free of my prayer bin, but you must return.

Good day, I will pray for you.

 

[notuptome]

Peter says THIS IS THAT.
Speaking of what Joel frames in the LAST DAYS.
Peter says, basically, we are in the last days, ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST. "This baptism in the Holy Ghost with men as drunken,under the power of God and on fire,speaking in tongues,ACCORDING TO JOEL, WILL CONTINUE,until the moon turns to blood.

NOTHING CEASED.
CESSATIONISTS FALSE PROPHETS CEASED.
SO ironic those babblers of antichrist rhetoric accuse the body of Christ as babblers.

First of all it was not a baptism it was a filling of the Holy Spirit. These men were baptized with the Holy Spirit in the upper room with Jesus in John 20.

Joel's prophecy was to Israel and not to the church. This is important because you make an incorrect application when you apply it to the church. The church is with Christ when the final events of Joel are fulfilled. We are in the end times but it may be an additional 1000 years before Christ returns to judge those who come against Israel. The church could be taken into the presence of Christ at any time but Joel's prophecy speaks to a time for Israel not the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Lets see if pentecost is just some obsolete history of a once powerful God and church;
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So Joel frames the last days as moon imto blood and the sun darkened...WHICH HAS NOT YET HAPPENED.
Peter framed pentecost in those same last days.
MEANING IT,PENTECOST,WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE MOON TURNS TO BLOOD....
THE LAST DAYS.
YOU CESSATIONISTS ARE BASICALLY ANTICHRIST

Pentecost is a Jewish feast day so Jews still celebrate it to this day.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Absolutely]

I have read that many times in acts. The Holy Spirit said " read it again" so I did. HE said "read it again" ,so I did.
Then I SAW IT.
Praise God!!!
The Holy Spirit bringing light.!!!
Thank you Jesus!!!

 

[Absolutely]

Thank you Jesus that i was saved during such a mighty outpouring like on the day of pentecost.
Thank you for what Jesus said "...how much more shall HE give the Holy Spirit to those that ASK.

THANK YOU JESUS!!!

 

[Oncefallen]

MEANING IT,PENTECOST,WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE MOON TURNS TO BLOOD....
THE LAST DAYS.
YOU CESSATIONISTS ARE BASICALLY ANTICHRIST

Yawn

You legalists are satans puppets. (IE back at ya)

What comes around goes around.

If you (broad "you", not just you two specifically) people cannot discuss a topic without these types of accusations, then stay out of the discussion.

 

[Wansvic]

I pray your not putting yourself in same mold as Paul. Paul would be against you my friend.

Paul was no more or no less important than any other Christian that is used by God for a particular ministry.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul was no more or no less important than any other Christian that is used by God for a particular ministry.

Correct,

But the gospel is the same, If paul did not preach it, then it is not part of the gospel.

 

[stonesoffire]

Jude is not speaking about praying in tongues. Jude is far above that in his teaching of praying in the Holy Spirit. Jude is speaking of the fervent effectual prayer that issues from a heart that is greatly moved with urgency and compassion. Jude is speaking of the prayer that we can only groan because of our great distress.

You invent and fabricate ideas that are not in scripture. Learn what is really there and rejoice in Gods moving in the affairs of men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Funny, I say the exact same thing about your posts. Praying in the Holy Spirit is tongues.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Funny, I say the exact same thing about your posts. Praying in the Holy Spirit is tongues.

Um it might be tongues (although I see no proof of that)

Or it might be being in the spirit of God and praying in his name and power and word

 

[stonesoffire]

That does not say everyone spoke in tongues sis.

Oh, EG, how would they know if they had received the baptism? You say you aren’t a cessationist, but you are.

 

[stonesoffire]

Um it might be tongues (although I see no proof of that)

Or it might be being in the spirit of God and praying in his name and power and word

If you are praying in the power, is it your words or His?

 

[Absolutely]

They tarried for days. In the upper room.
So did I.
They simply obeyed.
So did I.
They prayed
So did I
They invoked faith
So did i
Fire came down and they got zapped
So did i
They spoke in tongues
So did i
They were saved, but canged and set on fire as a second work
So was I
They magnified God in a new way
So did I
They were mocked.
I was not untill some religious cessationists came my way.

Thank you Lord for confirming my experience in your word.

It is wonderful to partake of what God set before me.

A feast. A table set for any and all to sit up to and enjoy.
Joy unspeakable and full of glory.

GLORY TO GOD!!

 

[FredHogan]

Jesus was right about today tongues. Thank you!