1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW OF RIGHTEOUSNESS TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE
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1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Matthew 5:18. " Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished"
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Yes, because Jesus said to follow the Law and teach others to do the same.
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eternally-gratefull
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It is not the works that will save you but the grace of christ that you believe in him now take the word believe what does it mean to believe by lips only his grace will sustain you but be not ignorant in thoughts speech or actions , to ignore righteousness of the spirit is rebellion against God = iniquity / ignorance (sam 15<22]
And he is waiting for the enemy to be put under his feet, and the enemy is flesh, not being born again in the Spirit of God. As what is needed to be done to enter heaven and be counted as righteous, by Faith in the Living God through the final cross of Christ and this includes the resurrection, where new life is at, given to those that believe God.
If one is still born of flesh self, then that one is under Law, until he comes to the Born again life in the Spirit of God, where All Law is filled, where one is a doer od the Law of God's type of Love found in 1 Cor. 13. We are followers of the one true loving God through the Son, that did it all in our stead, all we need to do is loin in by belief.
Do you believe this about God below for you?
Colossians 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
So Christ is the end of the Law if one believes what he did through his body for us? Why so we can approach the throne of grace with confidence in our time of need. My time of need is constant and Christ makes constant intercession wOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually the Law of Faith (Belief) in God, and out pours the measure unto us that God does in order to save us and protect us from harm, while we go through harm. God sees the big picture and we do not, or can not predict future. All we can ever do is take one day at a time, trusting Father through Christ to get us through, each day. So the best I found is to die daily to self with Christ at the cross and might see life in Father in the Spirit of Father, thanks to Christ. Belief on the Son is my Law, unto the resurrected Christ:
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
Sister I feel you have it wrong.....
These people have a story, but it's unfortunate that there are other christians judging and categorising them saying they are supposed christians.
Just because you are married, you were able to be there for your children and you were brought up in a generation that dressed more conservative doesn't make you any better christian then 'these people'
I agree they need love and help, but so do you sister as do everyone else in your church.
A poem I read online sums it up. part of it said.....
" If grace is water then the church should be an ocean
It's not a museum for the good people, its a hospital for the broken"
We are all sinners, lets not point the finger and make ourselves appear more righteous than others
Sister I feel you have it wrong.....
These people have a story, but it's unfortunate that there are other christians judging and categorising them saying they are supposed christians.
Just because you are married, you were able to be there for your children and you were brought up in a generation that dressed more conservative doesn't make you any better christian then 'these people'
I agree they need love and help, but so do you sister as do everyone else in your church.
A poem I read online sums it up. part of it said.....
" If grace is water then the church should be an ocean
It's not a museum for the good people, its a hospital for the broken"
We are all sinners, lets not point the finger and make ourselves appear more righteous than others
When I say you, I don't mean you personally but 'you' as in collectively ( all christians) just to clarify!
Is it really so difficult for people of the 21st century to figure out that the Law of God is meant to be followed spiritually?
Romans 12:1(CJB) I exhort you, therefore, brothers, in view of God's mercies, to offer yourselves as a sacrifice, living and set apart for God. This will please him; it is the logical "Temple worship" for you.
Romans 12:1(NAS) Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
Romans 12:1(KJV) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:1(NIV) Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship.
Romans 12:1(CJB) I exhort you, therefore, brothers, in view of God's mercies, to offer yourselves as a sacrifice, living and set apart for God. This will please him; it is the logical "Temple worship" for you.
Romans 12:1(NAS) Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
Romans 12:1(KJV) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:1(NIV) Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship.
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cfultz3
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I like what you said. Here is the relationship between the word "end" and "fulfill."
Strong’s concordance 5056 “end” and 5055 “fulfill” meaning to end, i.e complete, execute, conclude, discharge a debt, accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, and perform. Not to do away with or negate as not relevant.
Galatians 5:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
James 2:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
4137=fulfill in the next verse is to replete meaning to “fill again” the state of being completely filled
Matthew 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Therefore Jesus came to complete, or to fill up and finalize the promise given from the beginning.
5056 Greek=end
From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state **(termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid) -- + continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare phoros.
see GREEK phoros
** Termination = in reference to the end of the trip, or end of the line. It is the finalization of the goal that has been achieved. Putting an end to the work that needs to be done, and seeing the final product that has been produced, with all its ingredients.
Strong’s concordance 3615 “end” and also the same as “Fulfill”
Hebrew=end
Leviticus 16:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:
A primitive root; to end, whether intransitive (to cease, be finished, perish) or transitived (to complete, prepare, consume) -- accomplish, cease, consume (away), determine, destroy (utterly), be (when... Were) done, (be an) end (of), expire, (cause to) fail, faint, finish, fulfil, X fully, X have, leave (off), long, bring to pass, wholly reap, make clean riddance, spend, quite take away, waste.
I can find nowhere that is means vanish, negate, do away with, etc.
Romans 4:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
John 19:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
7093 “end” in Hebrew.
from qatsats
Definition
end
NASB Translation
after (3), after* (1), course* (1), end (52), endless* (1), farthest (2), farthest border (1), goal (1), highest peak (1), interval* (1), later (1), limit (2).
1 end, usually of time, especially in phrase מִקֵּץ at the end of a definite time
after, utmost border, end, infinite, process, the end of a process.
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This is my last attempt to prove to you that we are to under under the grace of God and the righteousness of God which comes from his grace, if you don't accept this which is the written word of God, you have a religious spirit and i urge you to seek help from God almighty only God can get rid of strongholds, i can't do anything nor any man.
[h=3]Hebrews 8:7-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
First of all the 10 commandments were never for the gentiles was always for the Jews, what the commandments showed us is that we cannot follow it because by nature we do the things it said not to do, so this leads us in our weakness that we cannot follow it to christ Jesus who makes us righteous
[h=3]2 Corinthians 3:6-15[/h]King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE NEW TESTAMENT, ALL THAT IS REQUIRED OF US IS TO SEEK AFTER HIM WITH ALL OF OUR MIND AND HEART AND BE BORN AGAIN, if this doesn't prove anything to you i don't know what will i know almost all of you will ignore what i just showed you from the scripture and continue your same old thing but it's not my life on the line here it's yours if you choose not to let your eyes be upon up so be it, 10 commandments was never made to be followed religiously it was there to show us we have sin in our lives and need God to change us
[h=3]Romans 8:3-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
to fulfil is to make something complete and RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW is FULFILLED IN US( COMPLETED IN US BECAUSE ONE WITH US) if you choose not to accept this nothing more i can do, but it is written..
[h=3]Hebrews 8:7-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
First of all the 10 commandments were never for the gentiles was always for the Jews, what the commandments showed us is that we cannot follow it because by nature we do the things it said not to do, so this leads us in our weakness that we cannot follow it to christ Jesus who makes us righteous
[h=3]2 Corinthians 3:6-15[/h]King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE NEW TESTAMENT, ALL THAT IS REQUIRED OF US IS TO SEEK AFTER HIM WITH ALL OF OUR MIND AND HEART AND BE BORN AGAIN, if this doesn't prove anything to you i don't know what will i know almost all of you will ignore what i just showed you from the scripture and continue your same old thing but it's not my life on the line here it's yours if you choose not to let your eyes be upon up so be it, 10 commandments was never made to be followed religiously it was there to show us we have sin in our lives and need God to change us
[h=3]Romans 8:3-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
to fulfil is to make something complete and RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW is FULFILLED IN US( COMPLETED IN US BECAUSE ONE WITH US) if you choose not to accept this nothing more i can do, but it is written..
i wonder if people is reading the same bible as me though, it's like for example " the cow jump over the moon" written in clear text but they see " the dog chase the cat all day ", it's very true though without the holy spirit you cannot understand the kingdom of God or the things in the bible, it was never meant to be read with the natural eye need the eyes of your heart to be open up to truly understand what it is saying
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cfultz3
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God's Law says on this wise: I say do not steal because love would do no harm (pinnacle definition of "evil"). Therefore, love fulfills the Law.
Law of Sin says on this wise: I find you guilty because it has been written, "Do not steal". You are, therefore, under condemnation.
Love is a Law within itself and is the Law which Christ preached.
We have been given the Spirit of Truth and is He who speaks God's Law and by hearkening to Him, we do, indeed, fulfill God's will.
Abba
....vs....
Condemnation
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Condemnation
Which one do you prefer?
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eternally-gratefull
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The spirit.
If I am following the spirit. I do not need a law. Because I would not be tempted to break the law. Gods law shows me when I fail. but that is all it can do.
it is not that hard, we see this in everyday life..
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eternally-gratefull
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Lets look at it a different way.
1. God loves me and has promised to give me everything I need.
2. I Trust God. thus am thankfull for whatever I have.
3. What God has given me He wants me to use to bless and love others.
4. I will use what God has given me to do what he desires.
now comes the question. Why do I need to know. "thou shalt not steel" in this senerio to even follow it? I don't need it. I don't have to follow it. And it would not help me anyway, All it could do is keep my mind on self. and anytime we do this, Temptation is sure to follow. as our minds are taken off God and others, and placed on self.
I would not even be tempted to steel. Because I trust god.. That is called the law of faith and following the spirit.
in other words, the law of faith and following the spirit is NOT do not steel. The law of faith and spirit is God will take care of ALL my needs..