Christ-mass is Pagan.

[blue_ladybug]

Of course it seems like an honest assessment from each of us, by giving our own reasons on why we do, or do not, celebrate Christmas.

As long as you make ANY holiday about Jesus, and not pagan tradition, it is a permissible form of worship.


It's already widely know that most, if not all, holidays are pagan. We don't need an encyclopedia to tell us that..

does this thread seem liek an honest assessment in any way shape or form?

Where is the consulting of Scripture to see if this day has origins in the Word or if it is a permissible form of worship?

where is the historical facts in encyclopeias shown the origins of ths day?

 

[Bogadile]

does this thread seem liek an honest assessment in any way shape or form?

Where is the consulting of Scripture to see if this day has origins in the Word or if it is a permissible form of worship?

where is the historical facts in encyclopeias shown the origins of ths day?

It is irrelevant if Christmas is in the Bible or not.
Not everything has to be in the Bible.

It is also irrelevant that Jesus was not born on 25th of december. Nobody cares.

The date is not important. What is important is people are hearing about Jesus, people are hearing about the Gospel and one of the primetimes for this is Christmas when many christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

 

[Dai3234]

does this thread seem liek an honest assessment in any way shape or form?

Where is the consulting of Scripture to see if this day has origins in the Word or if it is a permissible form of worship?

where is the historical facts in encyclopeias shown the origins of ths day?

I think getting the origin is extremely difficult. Because if you look at Adam and Eve, the tree in the garden of Eden, the gift of fruit knowledge, self gain against God.

You can probably see that everyone is nearly directly related to VENUS and the tree worship is related to the gifts from the tree of knowledge of sin etc, and Adam is sometimes MARS, OR other? Referenced as a STAR.

My accuracy maybe slightly off?? But all this goes back to the Catholic church, then sun worshipping emperor Constantine, then Baal and grove, then garden of Eden fall of man.

The Christmas video's on grace and truth ministries YouTube, can show more details also.

 

[BillG]

Fun is flesh, boredom is unpurposed time. No one said Christians have fun. Carry your cross daily, doesn't sound fun. Sounds rigourously draining.

I only asked because I like Christmas, but see it a bit of a hipocritical waste of money and resources. In the UK people just stuff themselves, buying new consoles, TV's, tablets, phones, clothes, festivities, shopping shopping shopping. Turkey, chicken, pigsnblankets , chocolate orange, more and no teeth left or big bill for repair or at least toothpaste by the bucket.

Not much JESUS, not much church except the birth. And all that hypocritical JAZZ.
Though I do like the food, but it's so unhealthy.

I love the food as well.

Pigsnblankets, I love them, also along with brussel sprouts.

I would say though that for believers is it's not hipocrital.
But yes we can fall foul of the commercialism.

 

[Dai3234]

It is irrelevant if Christmas is in the Bible or not.
Not everything has to be in the Bible.

It is also irrelevant that Jesus was not born on 25th of december. Nobody cares.

The date is not important. What is important is people are hearing about Jesus, people are hearing about the Gospel and one of the primetimes for this is Christmas when many christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

True, but does it out ways the bad from Christmas? All the death from drunk drivers, frozen dead, fights, robberies, and the well, I don't know. I'm getting a cup of tea. Just thought people had an actual doctrinal defence, than just preferences.

 

[MarcR]

Has anybody defined the term "pagan" in this discussion, yet?

I think it means pertaining to ritual used in worship of gods other than God.

 

[KelbyofGod]

Regardless of any personal feelings for or against the holiday itself... someone made an interesting point about the tree. He said "People may argue that they aren't worshipping their Christmas tree, but they seem to forget that they bow down to it every time they lay their presents at its feet"

 

[Bogadile]

True, but does it out ways the bad from Christmas? All the death from drunk drivers, frozen dead, fights, robberies, and the well, I don't know. I'm getting a cup of tea. Just thought people had an actual doctrinal defence, than just preferences.

There are no doctrinal defences or offences, since the bible is silent on the topic of Christmas.

All the negatives of Christmas that you listed occur in Finland during mid-summer festival which is a LEGIT pagan holiday, from the viking days. All of the negatives you listed also occur during the new year, and during pretty much any holiday there is always a spike in these incidents.

 

[valiant]

Hmmm, my point was generally, a fact that it was illegal because it is catholic and saint nick is catholic priest etc, who well, let's hope he was a "decent to children" priest and not the other.

Saint Nicholas, also called Nikolaos of Myra, was the Greek Bishop of Myra, in Asia Minor. Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nikolaos the Wonderworker.

It is quite obvious therefore that he was not a Roman Catholic.​

 

[blue_ladybug]

People get killed by drunk drivers every day. Same with people freezing to death, getting in fights, etc etc..

True, but does it out ways the bad from Christmas? All the death from drunk drivers, frozen dead, fights, robberies, and the well, I don't know. I'm getting a cup of tea. Just thought people had an actual doctrinal defence, than just preferences.

 

[Bogadile]

People get killed by drunk drivers every day. Same with people freezing to death, getting in fights, etc etc..

I bet its because all the weekdays are pagan named

 

[BillG]

Regardless of any personal feelings for or against the holiday itself... someone made an interesting point about the tree. He said "People may argue that they aren't worshipping their Christmas tree, but they seem to forget that they bow down to it every time they lay their presents at its feet"

That's not bowing down in worship to tree or a pagan God.
Given what to you have quoted above to bow down infers worship to the tree.

A tree is a tree to a believer, nothing more or nothing less.

To suggest it's anything else is to accuse them of pagan worship.

 

[Ugly]

I wondered why most people celebrate christ-mass when it was illegal 300+ years ago in America. And that people in the only testament were punished for tree worship/ Baal and grove etc.

Also, it apparently stems from Venus worship, a triangle covered with gold, silver, with a star above.

How and why do you excuse yourself???

Do you use the names of the days of the week? They're named after pagan gods. How do you excuse yourself?
Do you go to a church with a pastor with a wedding ring? Ever worn one? Or would you? If so how do you excuse the pastor or yourself?
Countless traditions have pagan roots and it's my experience that people who bark about "pagan holidays" are hypocrites for all the other areas of their life they have pagan roots, then justify it when asked about it.
If you're so concerned you need to so some research and remove Everything with pagan roots, no exceptions. Otherwise you're just talking out your butt. Yet we know you won't do all that research and remove All of it.
It's easier to pick the easy ones than to live that attitude out 100%. Pot stirrers is all this is. Not people with a valid point.

 

[preacher4truth]

Regardless of any personal feelings for or against the holiday itself... someone made an interesting point about the tree. He said "People may argue that they aren't worshipping their Christmas tree, but they seem to forget that they bow down to it every time they lay their presents at its feet"

Does the UPS guy worship our house every time he bows down to leave a gift box at the door?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Probably not but you can bet that he prays that the guard dog doesn't chase after him as he's doing it...lol

Does the UPS guy worship our house every time he bows down to leave a gift box at the door?

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by KelbyofGod

Regardless of any personal feelings for or against the holiday itself... someone made an interesting point about the tree. He said "People may argue that they aren't worshipping their Christmas tree, but they seem to forget that they bow down to it every time they lay their presents at its feet"

Am I bowing at a gravestone every time I lay a flower?

YOU may bow down to a Christmas tree, I simply bend down. See the difference?

 

[dcontroversal]

You mean we ain't the only ones?!?!?! Now, what type of wine, and what brand of vodka do you use? Let's see if you're sound in doctrine about this whole thing. OR NOT!!!!!!!

Why of course only Grey Goose Vodka and a refreshing pinot grigio or smooth and buttery chardonnay HAHAHAH

 

[Hizikyah]

Of course it seems like an honest assessment from each of us, by giving our own reasons on why we do, or do not, celebrate Christmas.

As long as you make ANY holiday about Jesus, and not pagan tradition, it is a permissible form of worship.


It's already widely know that most, if not all, holidays are pagan. We don't need an encyclopedia to tell us that..

so do you beleve christmas is on that pagan list?

 

[Dai3234]

Do you use the names of the days of the week? They're named after pagan gods. How do you excuse yourself?
Do you go to a church with a pastor with a wedding ring? Ever worn one? Or would you? If so how do you excuse the pastor or yourself?
Countless traditions have pagan roots and it's my experience that people who bark about "pagan holidays" are hypocrites for all the other areas of their life they have pagan roots, then justify it when asked about it.
If you're so concerned you need to so some research and remove Everything with pagan roots, no exceptions. Otherwise you're just talking out your butt. Yet we know you won't do all that research and remove All of it.
It's easier to pick the easy ones than to live that attitude out 100%. Pot stirrers is all this is. Not people with a valid point.

True, but I'm not responsible for everyone else, just myself. If I know something to be condoning bad behaviour, a false tree/present tradition from a guy who punched an arian at the council of nicine, where Christians shut themselves in churches for nativities and still watch garbage tinsel TV, than preach the gospel. I think I'm supposed to point it out, and see if anyone has a valid point.

Yes history is pagan, oh wait, were gentiles, we follow Christ, and the Bible, that says don't eat lest you offend a new brother, as a stumbling block for him/her, God is a jealous God, fun is flesh, and no one really cares because they can actually forget about God, feel nice and stuff their faces by a cozy fire, with chestnuts n giblets.

Forget it, I'll just do what you say, might as well but a new printer anyway.

 

[Grandpa]

Does the UPS guy worship our house every time he bows down to leave a gift box at the door?

Yes.

Unless he's atheist.

Then he's just a UPS guy delivering packages.