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We have the fact that the unbelieving Jew who did not walk by the faith that comes from hearing alone. But they developed their own system of worshiping shadows as signs. They added a oral tradition of men making the fast on the Sabbath(not week) to no effect.
The tradition was they could eat three meals a day. One person who had agreed with the oral tradition of the fathers bragged he fasted twice on the Sabbath giving all his new order after a oral tradition of the fathers of tithes which was not in respect to all they had.
The Rabbis developed an elaborate system of tithing produce, mostly to provide livelihood for priests and Levites. ... The tithes have to be given from corn, wine, and oil by law of men and from fruit and vegetables, by Rabbinic law.the law of the father as commandments of men. ... A tenth of the remainder of the yield. This is not all that they had. Like the man who fell down dead in Acts 5. They lied to the Holy Spirit and kept a portion for their own self.
The translators translated Sabbath as week . It was not a transliteration but a completely new definition, defined by men..
Sabbath is not a time sensitive word. It means rest. Not week,”seven days” in order to justify self-righteousness. Again not a plural of days.
Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
But rather.... I fast twice on the Sabbath I give tithes of all that I possess. Luk 18:13
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Luk 18:13
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one correction.
he didn't fast twice on the Sabbath. He said he fasted twice in the week.
I am not sure how we got to that.
I think a similar question is interesting...
how have we seen Odin honored on Odin's day?
Here is a coy and paste of the name origins of the English speaking world's days of the week.
Origin of the names of the days
The names of the days are in some cases derived from Teutonic deities or, such as in Romance languages, from Roman deities. The early Romans, around the first century, used Saturday as the first day of the week. As the worshipping of the Sun increased, the Sun's day (Sunday) advanced from position of the second day to the first day of the week (and saturday became the seventh day).
Sunday
The name comes from the Latin dies solis, meaning "sun's day": the name of a pagan Roman holiday. It is also called Dominica (Latin), the Day of God. The Romance languages, languages derived from the ancient Latin language (such as French, Spanish, and Italian), retain the root.
French: dimanche; Italian: domenica; Spanish: domingo
German: Sonntag; Dutch: zondag. [both: 'sun-day']
Monday
The name comes from the Anglo-Saxon monandaeg, "the moon's day". This second day was sacred to the goddess of the moon.
French: lundi; Italian: lunedi. Spanish: lunes. [from Luna, "Moon"]
German: Montag; Dutch: maandag. [both: 'moon-day']
Tuesday
This day was named after the Norse god Tyr. The Romans named this day after their war-god Mars: dies Martis.
French: mardi; Italian: martedi; Spanish: martes.
The Germans call Dienstag (meaning "Assembly Day"), in The Netherlands it is known as dinsdag, in Danmark as tirsdag and in Sweden tisdag.
Wednesday
The day named to honor Wodan (Odin).
The Romans called it dies Mercurii, after their god Mercury.
French: mercredi; Italian: mercoledi; Spanish: miércoles.
German: Mittwoch; Dutch: woensdag.
Thursday
The day named after the Norse god Thor. In the Norse languages this day is called Torsdag.
The Romans named this day dies Jovis ("Jove's Day"), after Jove or Jupiter, their most important god.
French: jeudi; Italian: giovedi; Spanish: jueves.
German: Donnerstag; Dutch: donderdag.
Friday
The day in honor of the Norse goddess Frigg.
In Old High German this day was called frigedag.
To the Romans this day was sacred to the goddess Venus, and was known as dies veneris.
French: vendredi; Italian: venerdi; Spanish: viernes.
German: Freitag ; Dutch: vrijdag.
Saturday
This day was called dies Saturni, "Saturn's Day", by the ancient Romans in honor of Saturn. In Anglo-Saxon: sater daeg.
French: samedi; Italian: sabato; Spanish: sábádo.
German: Samstag; Dutch: zaterdag.
Swedish: Lördag; and in Danish and Norse: Lørdag ("washing day").
Its all pagan. That's it no more days for me .n Well I guess pagans have done it all that means we should do nothing right .
Blessings
Bill
I am not sure how we got to that kind of paraphrase? . One word can change the intend of the author.
The word week is adding a new meaning to the word rest/Sabbath .Again not sure why or how the paraphrasers performed that. We are not to add to a word.
The other was person who humbled themselves was justified showing the first was self righteous. .
The misuse of the word Sabbath is shown in other places also. The word week should of not replace the word rest(Sabbath)
Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
I believe the proper transliteration should of been
Luke 24:1 Now upon the Sabbath day,(not week) very early in the morning,(not a week of mourning's) at the dawning of the new era of Sabbaths , they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
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That is a ridiculous answer to build strife. Sorry, I'm finished with our conversation. God bless you
Yes, with more gratitude, recognizing the wonder of our God Who chose to come in the Flesh to do the Work necessary to redeem mankind!
Hark the herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!
Peace on earth and mercy mild
God and sinners reconciled"
Joyful, all ye nations rise
Join the triumph of the skies
With the angelic host proclaim:
"Christ is born in Bethlehem"
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"
Christ by highest heav'n adored
Christ the everlasting Lord!
Late in time behold Him come
Offspring of a Virgin's womb
Veiled in flesh the Godhead see
Hail the incarnate Deity
Pleased as man with man to dwell
Jesus, our Emmanuel
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"
Hail the heav'n-born Prince of Peace!
Hail the Son of Righteousness!
Light and life to all He brings
Ris'n with healing in His wings
Mild He lays His glory by
Born that man no more may die
Born to raise the sons of earth
Born to give them second birth
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"
"Glory to the newborn King!
Peace on earth and mercy mild
God and sinners reconciled"
Joyful, all ye nations rise
Join the triumph of the skies
With the angelic host proclaim:
"Christ is born in Bethlehem"
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"
Christ by highest heav'n adored
Christ the everlasting Lord!
Late in time behold Him come
Offspring of a Virgin's womb
Veiled in flesh the Godhead see
Hail the incarnate Deity
Pleased as man with man to dwell
Jesus, our Emmanuel
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"
Hail the heav'n-born Prince of Peace!
Hail the Son of Righteousness!
Light and life to all He brings
Ris'n with healing in His wings
Mild He lays His glory by
Born that man no more may die
Born to raise the sons of earth
Born to give them second birth
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"
-JGIG
1 Cor 3 1Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans?
Hebrews 5 11We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. 12In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
1 Cor 8 1Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3But whoever loves God is known by God.[SUP]a[/SUP] 4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 7But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. 9Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.
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Young, immature, worldly Christians always fall for this trap. Saturnalia (as with many holidays) began as days sacrificed to pagan gods. But a mature Christian understands that you cannot sacrifice anything to a false god, being there is no such god the sacrifice is moot and therefore has no effect upon us or the true God. God knows what is in one's heart and knows that our celebrating the birth of Christ has absolutely nothing to do with the sacrifice to false gods. Still, God says that even tho we are perfectly fine in these celebrations, if it causes an immature milk drinking brother to stumble we should abstain.
So, disciple Mike, your fears and allusions are all false and worldly and signs of an immature faith. But since it makes you stumble, I guess all us mature believers should refrain from celebrating the birth of our Lord.
Fell better now?
Hebrews 5 11We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. 12In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
1 Cor 8 1Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3But whoever loves God is known by God.[SUP]a[/SUP] 4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 7But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. 9Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.
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Young, immature, worldly Christians always fall for this trap. Saturnalia (as with many holidays) began as days sacrificed to pagan gods. But a mature Christian understands that you cannot sacrifice anything to a false god, being there is no such god the sacrifice is moot and therefore has no effect upon us or the true God. God knows what is in one's heart and knows that our celebrating the birth of Christ has absolutely nothing to do with the sacrifice to false gods. Still, God says that even tho we are perfectly fine in these celebrations, if it causes an immature milk drinking brother to stumble we should abstain.
So, disciple Mike, your fears and allusions are all false and worldly and signs of an immature faith. But since it makes you stumble, I guess all us mature believers should refrain from celebrating the birth of our Lord.
Fell better now?
wow how sad, just because someone presents something different then what you believe you attack with accusations of immaturity? wow I ask all reading this, of the 2 who seems more immature, seeing the choice to judge anothers walk, based on what?
is this a bible discussion forum? listen if you disagree with whats posted ok then calmly present your view and scripture showing it, but to just call another immature is immature in itself.
is this a bible discussion forum? listen if you disagree with whats posted ok then calmly present your view and scripture showing it, but to just call another immature is immature in itself.
Here are some things that I can think of just off the top of my head that pagan/false god worship and Israel had/have in common:
- prayer
- fasting
- sacrifices
- feasts
- appointed days
- new moons
- anointing
- priesthood
- temple
- temple implements
- altars
- fire
- water
- cleansing rituals
- priestly garments
- spiritual songs
- spiritual dance
- alteration of the body (mutilation/circumcision)
- dietary laws
It is not so much what is used, but who/Who you worship/serve that God is concerned with.
God obviously permitted things that pagans were already practicing to be used in worship to Him.
If not, how do you explain the above list?
-JGIG
Actually the first accusation was that those Christians that chose to observe Christmas were observing a false gods holiday . The accusations have been both ways . Not really fair to pick on just one person .
Blessings
Bill
I do apologize if that sounds harsh, but the idea of maturity in these things comes from the Bible... Hebrews 5: 14But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. That's not my word but God's. Shall I refrain from using God's words because some will find it offensive?
You can disagree with all the lexicons of you wish, but they ALL disagree with you
I would think that how opinions work. Just adding my opinion in the same way of the paraphrases.But the word rest has nothing to do with time sensitive words like “week” many days . And if I was to try and interpret the word I would think making words that denote singular into plural would be adding the word.
Adding to a word can change the author’s intent. The new era of Sabbaths is the first day of the week, the first day of creation” let there be light” .It is in respect to new creatures as children of light. . .
Word that denote singular mean what they say with no other meaning added. .
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
good news.
I have a thread coming in a couple of days that won't be quite this controversial!
I think.
I have a thread coming in a couple of days that won't be quite this controversial!
I think.
I didn't mean that in a mean way by the way. haha Just stating one truth, one command is goo enough for me. I don't murder because I'm told not do. Its simple for me. That is all I'm saying.
Hmmmm . . .
We who are in Christ don't murder because we don't WANT to.
It's the Fruit of His Spirit living within us.
-JGIG
Ok...but remember that the "Good news" means the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Let's not leave Him out of it. He is the center of everything and NOT the Law of Moses.
Let's stop trying to get us Christians to go back to the Law of Moses and instead lift up the great salvation, love and grace that Jesus our Lord has done for us now that we are in the New Covenant.
Then it will indeed be "good news". Looking forward to your "good news" about Christ!
And don't forget the names of the months of the year! And then there is the whole pagan calendar system . . .
There are Hebrew Roots folks who follow a 'Hebrew' calendar, but even within the HRM ranks, they can't agree on which one, sigh. The stress in figuring out which one God really approves of, OY!
-JGIG