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oh, good. so you are abandoning the Hebrew roots non-sense. that would be good. but, if your new thread is more Hebrew roots non-sense, then it will be controversial. ( and wrong ).
Interesting summary. I wonder why you have not changed these names, in English. You had quite a lot of centuries of christian history for that.
I agree with what you said about the old Testament but I follow Paul's advice regarding the Law. He taught a Gospel of grace. If he a Pharisee could write what he did why follow the teachings of the same sort of people who tried to destroy the churches he planted? I have and am studying the OT. The Torah was given to lead us to Christ. Once led there you don't go back again to it like the Galatians did.
the Galatians didn't go back to the Torah...they began to follow the traditions taught in judeaism maybe more should really study galatians from a historical point of view . Paul or any of the apostles NEVER taught against the Torah... anymore then our Savior did.... way too many continue to believe what man teaches them the word is saying rather then studying for themselves and see what it really says...
I don't think that circumcision is a tradition. It is clearly stated in the law of Moses.
This is what the Judaizers were trying to get the Gentile Galatians to go back to keeping the Law of Moses after coming to Christ. Judaziers are people that try to get Christians back to observing the law of Moses after coming to Christ - despite the fact that we are dead to the Law of Moses, have been released from the law of Moses, and are not under the law of Moses.
This is an anti-Christ belief system. The law has served it's purpose and brought us to the Lord Jesus Christ - now we are joined to Another - Christ Himself and His life in us leads us by the Holy Spirit within. We can trusty Christ inside of us for life and living.
This is what the Judaizers were trying to get the Gentile Galatians to go back to keeping the Law of Moses after coming to Christ. Judaziers are people that try to get Christians back to observing the law of Moses after coming to Christ - despite the fact that we are dead to the Law of Moses, have been released from the law of Moses, and are not under the law of Moses.
This is an anti-Christ belief system. The law has served it's purpose and brought us to the Lord Jesus Christ - now we are joined to Another - Christ Himself and His life in us leads us by the Holy Spirit within. We can trusty Christ inside of us for life and living.
I study Paul, an I have studied Pau since I first began reading the Word. I try to learn, as did he, from Jesus Christ on all topics. I know Paul teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ, for there is no other gospel, therefore I am alway pursuaded to learn as best possible the Word of Jesus Christ on all topics.
When He preached salvation to the Jews of the time, He was teaching the same Gospel as always, so what applied to the remnat of Israel, I believe, applies to us all. Again there is but one Gospel.
Good night from here. I pray you are all blessed and kept in the Holy Spirit, amen.
When He preached salvation to the Jews of the time, He was teaching the same Gospel as always, so what applied to the remnat of Israel, I believe, applies to us all. Again there is but one Gospel.
Good night from here. I pray you are all blessed and kept in the Holy Spirit, amen.
Moreso than a commandment, physical circumcision was a "sign" (KJV "token"), between the believer and God.
Circumcision did not go away, it was elevated to the point that God wanted it all along - circumcision of the heart!
When Peter and Paul saw that the newly converted gentiles had received the Holy Spirit - they understood, that is the "sign" of the circumcision of the heart.
Circumcision did not go away, it was elevated to the point that God wanted it all along - circumcision of the heart!
When Peter and Paul saw that the newly converted gentiles had received the Holy Spirit - they understood, that is the "sign" of the circumcision of the heart.
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I think he is here to proselytize...after all he is DISCIPLEmike
it has become apparent he represents the 119 ministries sect
more about it if anyone wants to know
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FreeNChrist
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Right, Paul never taught against the Law, but he certainly did teach that Christians are not under the Law. And He certainly rebuked the Galatian church for their foolishness in trying to mix the Law with grace.
Great article as it reveals what is going on to all of us. Thanks. I liked this portion below quoted from the article.
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119 Ministries is a Hebrew Roots organization primarily operating through their website. The group’s name is a reference to Psalm 119, which speaks in depth about following God’s Law. 119 Ministries is extremely active on social media and the internet, with smartphone apps and an extensive library of online teachings. DVDs, books, and videos are available as tools to promote their theology.
119 Ministries is associated with the Hebrew Roots movement, which claims Jesus did not do away with many of the Old Testament restrictions on diet, ceremonial purity, and so forth. This is a view long rejected by the majority of Christian theologians. Most Hebrew Roots teachers accept generally correct views of salvation, sin, Christ, and the Bible. However, they often reject the Trinity, and the strained approach they’re forced to use on the New Testament presents some additional problems. The general, clear sense of Scripture is that Christ’s “fulfillment” of the Law meant the end of those minute legalisms.
119 Ministries would claim that supposedly clear statements in books such as Galatians have been misinterpreted. And yet, that conclusion only results from assuming what one is trying to prove. The catch phrase for 119 Ministries seems to be “test everything,” which underscores the group’s apologetics-flavored approach to promoting their beliefs. Yet, unless a person is pre-determined toward their conclusions, the Hebrew Roots-related information they provide doesn’t withstand scrutiny.
Another problem with 119 Ministries, as with many Hebrew Roots organizations, is the tendency to focus outrageous levels of time and attention on minutiae. For example, the exact day or lunar cycle of a particular festival. Or speculations about blood moons or whether a calendar day should start at sunrise or sunset.
Legalistic gnat-straining like this (Titus 3:9) is exactly the kind of bureaucracy we were meant to be freed from. At the same time, that style of convenient legalism is comforting, since it makes our spirituality seem like a matter of obeying a list, rather than having a moment-to-moment, perpetual sense of obeying God’s will in our lives.
Ironically, despite the claim to uphold the entire Old Testament Law as binding on believers today, most Hebrew Roots interpretations allow for behaviors that Old Testament Jews would have considered blatantly in error, such as having a clean-shaven face or wearing clothes of mixed cloth.
119 Ministries is no different, as in one teaching they dismiss explicit Torah commands not to cut one’s hair (Leviticus 19:27) as merely references to pagan practices. At the same time, they insist that foods like pork and shellfish are still “unclean,” despite overt statements such as Mark 7:19.
There are many things to test, question, and doubt within the teachings of 119 Ministries. Those involved in the Hebrew Roots movement are generally well-meaning, and their primary message regarding salvation is essentially true. However, their approach to Scripture is extremely prejudiced and can’t really be sustained, except in the minds of those who prefer to believe it to begin with
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good point (flutter flutter we agree LOL!)
holiness does mean simply separation to or onto the Lord
now how you get that way, is not the same for everyone necessairly
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LaurenTM
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going to point out people in different cultures and places celebrate different things on the same day, and some could not find out
simply if somebody has a different holiday on the same day as you does not mean you celebrate their holiday, like the original poster is suggesting in the context of this thread.
even if it's been adapted over time, if it has a new name, it is a new holiday.
friendinpeace
simply if somebody has a different holiday on the same day as you does not mean you celebrate their holiday, like the original poster is suggesting in the context of this thread.
even if it's been adapted over time, if it has a new name, it is a new holiday.
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LaurenTM
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mike?
psychology is not your forte
perhaps a different course on how to reach others?
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LaurenTM
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Jesus was crucified
on a Roman instrument of torture....
using YOUR logic, shouldn't they just have stoned Him?
after all, He DID state His equality with God
so many holes in your theories Mike
so many holes
you think you have all the answers
I KNOW I don't have all the answers because the Bible is kind of rude in telling us we only see in part