Did God plan for man to fall to prove something to Satan and his angels?
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no God did not make a wager with satan.
God made a statement of fact ...
Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him;
he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.
satan went so far as to command God to put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face (Job 1:11).
God gave limited permission to satan (i.e. He did, to a limited extent, remove the hedge - Job 1:10).
nope.
God did not "prove Job's faith was unshakable".
God made a statement of fact ... God reiterated in vs 8 what is written in vs 1 ... satan challenged God to His face ... Job was tested and Job passed the test.
Sometimes I read about these faithful men and women in Scripture and I wonder if I would pass the tests they went through. I think to myself "wow ... would I stand strong if I faced that situation?" I like to think I would ... Hebrews 12 tells us to consider the Lord Jesus Christ ... Who endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds ... and then reminds us Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
We are so blessed and we have such wonderful examples to study and draw from. As we keep our hearts focused on the Lord Jesus Christ, He leads us along ... walks with us through all our afflictions. If we take our focus off of Him, we falter.
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God made a statement of fact ...
Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him;
he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.
satan went so far as to command God to put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face (Job 1:11).
God gave limited permission to satan (i.e. He did, to a limited extent, remove the hedge - Job 1:10).
nope.
God did not "prove Job's faith was unshakable".
God made a statement of fact ... God reiterated in vs 8 what is written in vs 1 ... satan challenged God to His face ... Job was tested and Job passed the test.
Sometimes I read about these faithful men and women in Scripture and I wonder if I would pass the tests they went through. I think to myself "wow ... would I stand strong if I faced that situation?" I like to think I would ... Hebrews 12 tells us to consider the Lord Jesus Christ ... Who endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds ... and then reminds us Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
We are so blessed and we have such wonderful examples to study and draw from. As we keep our hearts focused on the Lord Jesus Christ, He leads us along ... walks with us through all our afflictions. If we take our focus off of Him, we falter.
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why?All of Job 1 shows God made a wager with Satan.
Job suffered so God could prove his point regarding Jobs faith.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/job/1.html
Job suffered so God could prove his point regarding Jobs faith.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/job/1.html
God sees all things that could have been.
Out of all that could have been?
He narrows everything down to what will be.
That is what He predetermines.
He knows a thousand and one ways you would be stubborn about something.
But, He only has to predetermine a manifestation of a few ways to determine you are stubborn.
What He predetermines are those few ways.
Why? So you would see them for yourself and be without excuse.
Out of all that could have been?
He narrows everything down to what will be.
That is what He predetermines.
He knows a thousand and one ways you would be stubborn about something.
But, He only has to predetermine a manifestation of a few ways to determine you are stubborn.
What He predetermines are those few ways.
Why? So you would see them for yourself and be without excuse.
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nope ... you said:
in response to my statement [emphasis added]:
so I asked you:
God is eternal ... infinite.
We are finite ... we are the ones who have to "come to know".
So, no, my response to you was not evasive ... I was asking you to clarify your statement.
Do you believe God did not know Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
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in response to my statement [emphasis added]:
so I asked you:
God is eternal ... infinite.
We are finite ... we are the ones who have to "come to know".
So, no, my response to you was not evasive ... I was asking you to clarify your statement.
Do you believe God did not know Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
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God did not "cause" Adam and Eve to sin. God tells us exactly what happened (Gen 3).
God's will was clearly stated:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it
Nowhere in Scripture do we read that God was the "cause" of Adam and Eve eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
The fact that God knew they would eat and He devised His plan of redemption for mankind before Adam and Eve ate does not mean that God caused Adam and Eve to sin.
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God's will was clearly stated:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it
Nowhere in Scripture do we read that God was the "cause" of Adam and Eve eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
The fact that God knew they would eat and He devised His plan of redemption for mankind before Adam and Eve ate does not mean that God caused Adam and Eve to sin.
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