Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?

[Nufan]

Pointing out that someone did not following God's Word is not "hating" them

You must be one of them liberals who think everyone is required to agree with you all the time and when they don't you go in to total victim meltdown having to go to your happy place to pet kitty kats and drink hot chocolate View attachment 281534





No we are called to follow the Doctrine of Christ which is what Paul followed.

Paul followed Jesus and did not start his own demonic cult

Condemnation will always go against the will of god. If you judge me then in like manner with the same measure god will judge you. If you cant forgive me then god won't forgive you.

 

[StanDupp]

Jesus neaver said to do this. He already instructed what to do but you been blinded with private visions of what Jesus wants.

Too bad you don't know much about God's Word

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2 John 1:9-11
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Condemnation will always go against the will of god. If you judge me then in like manner with the same measure god will judge you. If you cant forgive me then god won't forgive you.

By not following God's Word, you put yourself in to condemnation.

God is THE Judge and I'm telling you what He said in THE Word of God.

Take it or leave it homie. You need correction.

 

[Nufan]

Too bad you don't know much about God's Word

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2 John 1:9-11
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.




By not following God's Word, you put yourself in to condemnation.

God is THE Judge and I'm telling you what He said in THE Word of God.

Take it or leave it homie. You need correction.

Everything I said came from Jesus own mouth. Take it up with him.

 

[StanDupp]

Everything I said came from Jesus own mouth. Take it up with him.

Claiming Paul was not following Jesus teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom is what the devil is saying.

You should quit saying what the devil, is sayin

 

[Nufan]

Claiming Paul was not following Jesus teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom is what the devil is saying.

You should quit saying what the devil, is sayin

Im not you are. You Just proved that Paul and his teachings contradict Jesus

 

[StanDupp]

You Just proved that Paul and his teachings contradict Jesus

Actually that was a demon that inverted your understanding bringing deception to your mind.

 

[Nufan]

Actually that was a demon that inverted your understanding bringing deception to your mind.

Nope I Just spoke the words of Jesus.

 

[Nufan]

Jesus says you can't call me lord and not love your neighbor. Set aside cheap grace and easy beliefism. Look to Jesus and follow the way of the law.

 

[GWH]

Too bad you did not obey God's instructions:

Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers - 2 Corinthians 6:14

The only thing people get from atheists is the devil's point of view, which is false doctrine.

Witnessing to atheists is NOT being yoked with them!
And the last time I checked, God instructs believers to witness to atheists.
Too bad you do not know this.

 

[StanDupp]

Nope I Just spoke the words of Jesus.

You were not quoting the Jesus of the Bible.

Jesus says you can't call me lord and not love your neighbor. Set aside cheap grace and easy beliefism. Look to Jesus and follow the way of the law.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Now we really know what's going on.

Apparently you are trying to achieve salvation thru the law of Moses.

Witnessing to atheists is NOT being yoked with them!
And the last time I checked, God instructs believers to witness to atheists.

This person said they learned a lot from talking to atheists

You might want to go back and READ what they said before inserting foot ion mouth

 

[Nufan]

The law is

You were not quoting the Jesus of the Bible.





Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Now we really know what's going on.

Apparently you are trying to achieve salvation thru the law of Moses.





This person said they learned a lot from talking to atheists

You might want to go back and READ what they said before inserting foot ion mouth View attachment 281537

The law is love.
Mathew
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Mathew 6:15
But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

• Matthew 7:21-23: Jesus says, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven". He explains that many will come to him on the last day, claiming to have performed miracles in his name, but he will say to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me".
• Luke 6:46: Jesus asks, "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?".

 

[Nufan]

You were not quoting the Jesus of the Bible.





Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Now we really know what's going on.

Apparently you are trying to achieve salvation thru the law of Moses.





This person said they learned a lot from talking to atheists

You might want to go back and READ what they said before inserting foot ion mouth View attachment 281537

Mathew 5:17
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Again you prove that Paul is an enemy of Christ.

 

[Nufan]

You were not quoting the Jesus of the Bible.





Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Now we really know what's going on.

Apparently you are trying to achieve salvation thru the law of Moses.





This person said they learned a lot from talking to atheists

You might want to go back and READ what they said before inserting foot ion mouth View attachment 281537

Further more all the prophets in the old testament say that animal sacrifice for blood atonement and cleansing of sins is an abomination to god. Then apparently God changed his mind with Jesus which is impossible for god. Then Paul makes this the foundation of his faith by coming under grace. Christ says he had not come to do away with the prophets but paul does. Can you see how this is evil.

 

[Dino246]

Those espousing false doctrine deserve to be mocked and should be mocked!

So everyone who disagrees with you is "espousing false doctrine"?

 

[GWH]

You were not quoting the Jesus of the Bible.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Now we really know what's going on.
Apparently you are trying to achieve salvation thru the law of Moses.

This person said they learned a lot from talking to atheists
You might want to go back and READ what they said before inserting foot ion mouth View attachment 281537

You might want to read post #134 and practice what you preach.

 

[Adstar]

It seems Jesus is teaching a works based faith.

Jesus used the Law to convict people that they fail to live up to the Law.. As Paul did.. The Law acts to lead one to know they need the intervention of God to be saved.. The incident of the young man who asked Jesus what good thing he could do to have eternal life is a good example of this.. read the following passage it is all in context::

(Matthew 19:16-26) "¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? {17} And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. {18} He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, {19} Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. {20} The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? {21} Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. {22} But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. {23} ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. {24} And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. {25} When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? {26} But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

The young man was a works salvation believer, that is why he asked Jesus what good thing he could do so that he could achieve eternal life.. Jesus then started working on the young man with the Law but the young man was confident he had kept the law, so Jesus knowing the young man then upped the level by telling him he needed to be perfect, to go sell all his goods and give the money to the poor,, But note Jesus also told him to become His follower.. The young man was wealthy and could not bring himself to sell all he had.. But that was not the end of the episode because the disciples where shocked not knowing how anyone can be saved for who can live up to the level of perfection? Then Jesus made His critical statement, that ""with men it is impossible ( works salvation) but with God all things are possible( Grace salvation)"" showing that men cannot save themselves but only the LORD can save men..

 

[GWH]

Jesus used the Law to convict people that they fail to live up to the Law.. As Paul did.. The Law acts to lead one to know they need the intervention of God to be saved.. The incident of the young man who asked Jesus what good thing he could do to have eternal life is a good example of this.. read the following passage it is all in context::

(Matthew 19:16-26) "¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? {17} And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. {18} He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, {19} Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. {20} The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? {21} Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. {22} But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. {23} ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. {24} And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. {25} When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? {26} But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

The young man was a works salvation believer, that is why he asked Jesus what good thing he could do so that he could achieve eternal life.. Jesus then started working on the young man with the Law but the young man was confident he had kept the law, so Jesus knowing the young man then upped the level by telling him he needed to be perfect, to go sell all his goods and give the money to the poor,, But note Jesus also told him to become His follower.. The young man was wealthy and could not bring himself to sell all he had.. But that was not the end of the episode because the disciples where shocked not knowing how anyone can be saved for who can live up to the level of perfection? Then Jesus made His critical statement, that ""with men it is impossible ( works salvation) but with God all things are possible( Grace salvation)"" showing that men cannot save themselves but only the LORD can save men..

Yes, Jesus preached a fruit producing faith (Matt. 3:8-10, 7:16-20, John 15:2&16),
which Paul also taught (Gal. 5:22-23, Eph. 2:8-10).

 

[Nufan]

Jesus used the Law to convict people that they fail to live up to the Law.. As Paul did.. The Law acts to lead one to know they need the intervention of God to be saved.. The incident of the young man who asked Jesus what good thing he could do to have eternal life is a good example of this.. read the following passage it is all in context::

(Matthew 19:16-26) "¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? {17} And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. {18} He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, {19} Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. {20} The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? {21} Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. {22} But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. {23} ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. {24} And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. {25} When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? {26} But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

The young man was a works salvation believer, that is why he asked Jesus what good thing he could do so that he could achieve eternal life.. Jesus then started working on the young man with the Law but the young man was confident he had kept the law, so Jesus knowing the young man then upped the level by telling him he needed to be perfect, to go sell all his goods and give the money to the poor,, But note Jesus also told him to become His follower.. The young man was wealthy and could not bring himself to sell all he had.. But that was not the end of the episode because the disciples where shocked not knowing how anyone can be saved for who can live up to the level of perfection? Then Jesus made His critical statement, that ""with men it is impossible ( works salvation) but with God all things are possible( Grace salvation)"" showing that men cannot save themselves but only the LORD can save men..

Does this mean I need to abolish the law and the Prophets so I can come under grace or am I to follow the law and the prophets knowing its grace working in me.

 

[Dino246]

Does this mean I need to abolish the law and the Prophets so I can come under grace or am I to follow the law and the prophets knowing its grace working in me.

Easy answer: neither. It is impossible to follow the law today, and you don’t have the power to abolish them.

 

[GWH]

Does this mean I need to abolish the law and the Prophets so I can come under grace or am I to follow the law and the prophets knowing its grace working in me.

This means you need to accept the truth/Gospel and reflect God's love to everyone.