What are your sources and bible references to back this up? Don't even think about using Paul. Use the prophets, the words of Jesus, and character of God.
Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?
- Thread starter Nufan
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
It rather undermines your argument when fully half your evidence against Paul is from Paul.
What is my argument! How does this undermine it. Paul says to put him to the test.
yes, this is pertaining to the 3 major roles of the priesthood. At that time, the Malchezidek , the Aaronic and the Levitical. Jesus is addressing their deviation from the mosaic covenant, and that they have allowed greed to enter into their hearts, and they have become blind guides, demanding payment. For the forgiveness of sins through animal sacrifice. Not only are the Old Testament prophets, bearing witness. But John, the Baptist also prepared Jesus' way as a witness. And now, Jesus is saying that I come with even a greater message, I have come as a priest and a king through the bloodline of David, and I am here to establish a new covenant. I am here to bring the Jews back to its holy, pure, authentic worship.
You can not rule over people with an earthly authority by following Jesus. To follow Jesus is a threat the earthly authority. Thats why following the Nazarene sect of the way was illegal. Thats where Paul comes in to help Roam standardize and legalize christianity where they submit to Roam through the proto orthodox church. Constantine says he also had a vision where he saw a burning cross in the sky and God told him by this sign you will rule. Constantine converts to proto orthodox and the Nicene creed and cannon was established. Christianity through proto orthodox was legalized later called the catholic church. The cross was used as a symbol to give them victory in war. The Nazarene sect of the way and the Essenes which many scholars believe john the baptist and Jesus were Essenes were wiped out by the orthodox church.
- Biblical references: The New Testament book of Acts uses both terms to describe early Christians.
- Acts 24:5 calls Paul a "ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes".
- Acts 24:14 has Paul confessing, "according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers...".
- Beliefs: The ancient Nazarenes were a sect of Judaism that followed Jesus and believed in the resurrection of the dead and the teachings of the prophets.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Thank you. Yes, Jewish belief at that time, which is also what Jesus believed as new Jerusalem, will come to Earth.Not that we would go up to meet god.
Also if I may include who is the lord of the air.
"Lord of the air" most commonly refers to the biblical title for Satan as the "prince of the power of the air" (Ephesians 2:2), signifying his authority over the spiritual realm of evil spirits and his influence on the world. It can also refer to Enlil, an ancient Mesopotamian god known as the lord of the air or sky. It would seem Paul messed up here lol
I believe what a lot of you are experiencing based on the evidence that I have shown by backing what is true with the character of God, the prophets and the words of Jesus is cognitive dissonance. And then you get enraged and you lash out with me. You express Paul derangement syndrome, then you want to try to reinforce your beliefs with Paul. Why because you're scared and your accepting Pauls Gospel who have woven Jesus in but contradicts and cancels out Jesus gospel. You say you follow Jesus then you do a bait and switch and teach Paul. Jesus message was simple. Love god and love your neighbor. This requires a longing, intent, and desire to be obedient, develop faith, and follow the law of love to bring you back to the law of one.
Or you can follow your scapegoat blood cult leader Paul. So foolish to think that we are free of our responsibility to labor and tend the garden. Heres what proverbs has to say.
- "An idle person will suffer hunger".
- "A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich".
- "If anyone is unwilling to work, he shall not eat".
- "The lazy man buries his hand in the bowl; It wearies him to bring it back to his mouth".
- "As a door turns on its hinges, so does a sluggard on his bed".
- "As a door turns on its hinges, so does a sluggard on his bed".
- "The lazy man says, 'There is a lion outside! I shall be killed in the streets!'".
- "He who watches the wind will never sow, and he who looks at the clouds will not reap".
- "The way of the lazy man is like a hedge of thorns, but the way of the upright is a highway".
- "The way of the lazy man is like a hedge of thorns, but the way of the upright is a highway".
- "Like vinegar to the teeth and smoke to the eyes, so is the sluggard to those who send him".
- "The plans of the diligent lead surely to abundance, but everyone who is hasty comes only to poverty".
- "Like vinegar to the teeth and smoke to the eyes, so is the sluggard to those who send him".
- "The lazy man says, 'There is a lion outside! I shall be killed in the streets!'".
- "A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich".
yeah Paul is a revelator of the gospel so you have a the foundation preached first by the lord
“And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.”
Matthew 17:22-23 KJV
And some other scattered things like
“even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
Matthew 20:28 KJV
Paul’s role comes from here
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:26 KJV
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
John 16:12-13
auo and the apostles were products of that promise from Jesus but you can see Paul’s ministry is one of revealing to the chrich the mysteries of the gospel Jesus preached as Jesus had preached about his death and resurrection on behalf of mankind paying that ransom Paul’s doctrine is all about that offering revelation into what Jesus had said and meant
The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.”
Matthew 17:22-23 KJV
And some other scattered things like
“even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
Matthew 20:28 KJV
and then Paul preaching by the holy spirit after it’s been fulfilled
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
His doctrine of course becomes centered on Jesus death and resurrection . There’s nothing new in Paul’s writings it’s revaluation of what’s already been there all along he’s preaching this at his core
“Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
Isaiah 53:4-6 KJV
you can find the roots of all Paul has to say in the prophets and gospel the difference is he’s a revelator revealing the meanings of the doctrine like baptism earlier we’ve heard that Christian’s are to get baptized into Christs name but later we learn why through revelation
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4 KJV
Or communion we learn from Jesus to partake of the bread and drink but later pul explains it through revelation
“and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”
1 Corinthians 11:24-30 KJV
To understand Paul’s doctrine we need to hear and believe the gospel because it’s revelation of the gospel
We can see Paul’s role if we stick to the Bible and what it actually says eliminating the guess work
Then Jesus was revealing that he came to fulfill the OT message by coming as the Lamb of God to atone for humanity's sins
as the sacrificial system had foreshadowed.
Prove it. Jesus says repent and be baptized. Your spending a lie. Jesus like a lamb was lead to be slaughtered nowhere do the prophets or the words of jesus say this was for forgiveness of sins.
Yes paul was the ring leader of the nazarene sect he infiltrated and led many astray through his gospel which he claimed as his own and not the gospel of Jesus.
as the sacrificial system had foreshadowed.
Prove it. Jesus says repent and be baptized. Your spending a lie. Jesus like a lamb was lead to be slaughtered nowhere do the prophets or the words of jesus say this was for forgiveness of sins.
Yes paul was the ring leader of the nazarene sect he infiltrated and led many astray through his gospel which he claimed as his own and not the gospel of Jesus.
Open menu
Log In
Isaiah 53 has nothing to do with Jesus. The servant is Israel, and when this chapter is read in the larger context of the book of Isaiah, it is quite clear that it is describing Israel’s suffering in exile and their future redemption and return to the land of Israel. (If you are interested in reading it in context, begin around chapter 41 and continue through the end of the book.) It is not a messianic prophecy or describing the messiah. Christian readings of this passage are highly dependent on poor (mis)translations, allegorical interpretations, and selectively applying or not applying the descriptions of the servant in the text as it suits them.
As for the rest I don't see how this validates Paul.
If your premise is that Paul’s writings are not Scripture, then you cannot use them as though they are Scripture to support your argument. Doing so is employing circular reasoning.