Fails on basic morality

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HealthAndHappiness

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So what do you think about that long video clip? What was it, 60 seconds?
Never mind, the second is worth eternal life.
The first one simply further answers your question; which really isn't important right now. What is important is whether or not you are going to heaven when you die.
If you were to die today, are you 100% sure that you would go to Heaven?
 

rrcn

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God knows why he is doing what he is doing.. God knows everyone's motivations.. His will be done.. And it shall..
I finally hit ignore, replying to a troll is the outcome they want.
 

Magenta

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I just showed you slavery. Hired workers go back to their clans. Foreigners don't. "You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life" They are owned, just like the slave owner owns the slaves>>children<<if he has any with the slave woman the slave owner also owns as he is giving the slave a wife.
Would you prefer they killed all their enemies?

Are you ever going to answer that question?

Did you look at what I (more than once) linked to?
 

Magenta

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the Bible presents just two kinds of people. slaves to sin, and slaves to righteousness. (Rom 6)

but, in the words of that great theologian Bob Dylan, you're gonna have to serve somebody. ;)
OP does not believe the Bible, though.

He only came here to denigrate those who do.

While overlooking the fact that God put guidelines in place to reduce the abuse of slaves.

Which in and of itself is not an endorsement of slavery. Just another of his logical fallacies...

Next thing you know he will be telling us he'd rather go to hell than believe in such a God.
 

montana123

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Leviticus 25:44-46 Slave buying/trafficking and slave beating Exodus 21:20-21.
They are not called slaves, but bondmen, and bondmaiden, and they bought them not took them by force.

God told Israel to treat the strangers in the land as their own people.

And there were rules for how they were to treat them which they could not abuse them, and could not beat them, and if they did they would get to go free, so there was no beating of the servants.

If they beat the servants God did not approve of it and if He does not approve of it then it does not discredit God, or the Bible.

It is like people that speak of the sexual immorality in the Bible to lessen the impact of the sexual immorality that goes on now, or to criticize the Bible in a negative light.

But what they say is meaningless because God did not approve of their actions so it does not discredit God, or the Bible.

It is people doing stupid things like people have been doing for thousands of years like if they did beat their servants it is people doing stupid things and has nothing to do with God, or the Bible.

God did not approve of Abraham and the handmaiden having Ishmael which is why He sent him and his mother away, but He still blessed Ishmael because he was the son of Abraham and He forgives sin.

God did not approve of David having a man killed in battle to take his wife which resulted in Solomon but He still blessed Solomon and he became king.

God did not approve of Solomon having many wives, and concubines.

The same with the 12 tribes God is still going to bless them even if Jacob had them by 2 wives, and 2 other women.

The same as if they beat their servants God does not approve of it so stop trying to discredit God, and the Bible for it is people doing stupid things like people have been doing for thousands of years.

They could not beat the servants, and could not abuse them, for that was not permitted by God.

They bought them not forced them.

And speaking of this subject the white people did not go in to the interior of Africa and take slaves but the Africans brought them out to them to be sold mainly tribes they conquered, and they are still selling slaves to this day but not to white people.

And who gets in to more trouble the drug dealer, or the user, so maybe it is black guilt is more appropriate than white guilt.

Also the Africans they conquered were their enemy so who would treat them better the Africans that conquered them, or the white people that was not their enemy but only wanted cheap labor.

I do not believe it was as bad as what they say which other nations say they been taught that the Africans sold the black people, and the white people did not take them, but they will not teach them that in America for the American government wants division.

Also the white people were the first people to end slavery which England ended slavery in 1833, and France in 1848, and America in 1865, the first people to do that in the history of the world, and led the charge to end slavery in the world.
 
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They are not called slaves, but bondmen, and bondmaiden, and they bought them not took them by force.

God told Israel to treat the strangers in the land as their own people.

And there were rules for how they were to treat them which they could not abuse them, and could not beat them, and if they did they would get to go free, so there was no beating of the servants.

If they beat the servants God did not approve of it and if He does not approve of it then it does not discredit God, or the Bible.

It is like people that speak of the sexual immorality in the Bible to lessen the impact of the sexual immorality that goes on now, or to criticize the Bible in a negative light.

But what they say is meaningless because God did not approve of their actions so it does not discredit God, or the Bible.

It is people doing stupid things like people have been doing for thousands of years like if they did beat their servants it is people doing stupid things and has nothing to do with God, or the Bible.

God did not approve of Abraham and the handmaiden having Ishmael which is why He sent him and his mother away, but He still blessed Ishmael because he was the son of Abraham and He forgives sin.

God did not approve of David having a man killed in battle to take his wife which resulted in Solomon but He still blessed Solomon and he became king.

God did not approve of Solomon having many wives, and concubines.

The same with the 12 tribes God is still going to bless them even if Jacob had them by 2 wives, and 2 other women.

The same as if they beat their servants God does not approve of it so stop trying to discredit God, and the Bible for it is people doing stupid things like people have been doing for thousands of years.

They could not beat the servants, and could not abuse them, for that was not permitted by God.

They bought them not forced them.

And speaking of this subject the white people did not go in to the interior of Africa and take slaves but the Africans brought them out to them to be sold mainly tribes they conquered, and they are still selling slaves to this day but not to white people.

And who gets in to more trouble the drug dealer, or the user, so maybe it is black guilt is more appropriate than white guilt.

Also the Africans they conquered were their enemy so who would treat them better the Africans that conquered them, or the white people that was not their enemy but only wanted cheap labor.

I do not believe it was as bad as what they say which other nations say they been taught that the Africans sold the black people, and the white people did not take them, but they will not teach them that in America for the American government wants division.

Also the white people were the first people to end slavery which England ended slavery in 1833, and France in 1848, and America in 1865, the first people to do that in the history of the world, and led the charge to end slavery in the world.

"God told Israel to treat the strangers in the land as their own people"

I see you have trouble reading. Foreigners were not treated the same, as they are labelled slaves, hence they are bought and were beaten and inherited. Who were not labelled as slaves and not beaten or inherited...

Leviticus 25:39, 40 Do not make Israelites work as slaves. They are hired workers, who go free as they are not property as foreigners are.

Leviticus 25:42-43 Because the Israelites are my>>servants<<, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must NOT be sold as slaves.

Leviticus 25:46 You must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
 
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First of all, let’s get the correct wording and context. You can read it yourself.

38 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.
39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile.
41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return.
42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.
43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God.
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
47 And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that dwelleth by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger or sojourner by thee, or to the stock of the stranger's family:
48 After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him:
49 Either his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself.
50 And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubile: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him.
That's Israelites who are hired workers. Foreigners are not, they are property. I already made that distinction. All your post was about was servants/not slaves (Israelites).
 
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um... Bart Ehrman is an apostate. we don't really take him seriously. you ought to do at least a little homework, you know.

but don't you want to come to Christ? the master you're currently enslaved to, sin, is brutal, cruel, and a liar.

Jesus is a benevolent master who will love you. He will forgive you and always do good to you. forever!

doesn't that sound better?
What sounds better? Being beaten with a weapon, Exodus 21:20-21 and property of another human (Israelite) Leviticus 25:44-46. Or not?
 
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Based on what standard of law or morality? Yours? Who died and made you the king?

You stand in judgment of me, thinking wrongly that you know what I believe, while implying that your morality is superior. I’m certain it isn’t. Your stubborn refusal to discuss anything other than an ancient code that doesn’t apply to me means the conversation, if we can call it that, rather boring.

If all you want to do is hammer people with your misunderstanding of our beliefs , you are pathetic indeed.
It applies to you as you believe in a creator that endorses beating of a bought slave.
 

Dino246

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It applies to you as you believe in a creator that endorses beating of a bought slave.
Whatever.

You have a problem with God, not with me. You will answer to Him whether you believe in Him or not.
 
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On what basis do you make this charge?
His failure to see basic immorality. The only proper treatment of slaves is their freedom. Not endorsing how to beat them and traffick them to your children as they are your property.
 
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His failure to see basic immorality. The only proper treatment of slaves is their freedom. Not endorsing how to beat them and traffick them to your children as they are your property.
there are many beliefs of unbelief, how do you know yours is the correct one 😀
 

Dino246

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You have a problem with basic morals.
Yawn. You still haven't answered my question as to the basis of your morality. I'd say you are the one with the problem.

Worse than that though, you have a sin problem.
 
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Yawn. You still haven't answered my question as to the basis of your morality. I'd say you are the one with the problem.

Worse than that though, you have a sin problem.
When a person has already admitted they follow a character that endorses owning another human as property. You should really examine yourself.
 
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