False teaching by separating Scripture from Scripture

[ATG]

Also, the Galatians scripture you reference did not negate the need to believe and obey the NT water baptism command.

More sidestepping.

Recieving the Spirit by faith does not negate keeping any commandment of God, but ensures keeping them all.

What Paul is addressing is the misconception that NT believers are required to obey the OT command of circumcision.

Paul uses flesh circumcision to preach against negating the Spirit, by works of the law for salvation.

Paul reminds them that they received the Spirit through faith.

Correct. Not by commanded works of law, whether OT or NT.

This points directly to the fact that those who believe the gospel message in it's entirety and obey it by faith are guaranteed they will receive the Holy Ghost. The sequence may vary but the promise is set in stone.

True. It doesn't matter which commandment is kept first, but only that all are kept by receiving and walking after the Spirit through faith.

Lastly, water baptism in and of itself does not save anyone.

No work of the law pleases God without faith.

It is one of the essential elements associated with the NT rebirth; believing in Jesus, repentance, water baptism in Jesus name for remission of sin and receiving the Holy Ghost.

You've reversed the first two in principle:

Mark{1:15}
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

You preach against faith alone salvation apart from works, and yet you preach their first principle of justification by faith alone in Christ, with some repentance following...

Did you make a mistake, or do you also preach your own gradual sanctification process too?

 

[Inquisitor]

There is the baptism and circumcision of the Spirit, and that of the flesh with hands.

Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Col 2:11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

We are baptized and circumcised inwardly with the inner man, when we receive the Spirit by hearing of faith.

Phl 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Those who only preach baptism with hands, are the same carnal as those who only preach circumcision of the flesh, and not of the Spirit.

You can see through the smoke and mirrors.

Of course, the Holy Spirit is as active today as yesterday.

Well done.

 

[Inquisitor]

The Scriptures of Christ are all one perfectly unified word, even as the Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Therefore, every Scripture must be taught in context of all other Scripture, not just from verse to verse within a chapter of Scripture. To rightly teach any Scripture, we must do so in context of all Scripture taken together as one complete word.

If we separate one Scripture from other Scriptures, not just verse to verse within a certain chapter, but also from other chapters and books, then we are falsely teaching Scripture out of context. The end result with be contradicting the unity of Scripture written for doctrine and prophecy of God.

This is commonly done by unbelievers seeking fault with Scripture, to say God's words are not inerrant.

Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

From this one verse alone, anyone could teach that the God of the Bible is the creator of evil things, and so is an evil creator doing evil things. However taken in context of all Scripture together:

Jas 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Here we see that God cannot do evil, because He can't even be tempted with evil. Nor does He tempt anyone to do evil. Therefore, Is 45:7 must be read and taught in context of James 1:13, that the God of the Bible cannot be an evil Creator creating and doing evil. Such as the pagan God Moloch.

Such false accusations against the God of the Bible, however is also done by believers, in order to teach their own false doctrine.

Eph{2:8}
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

By this verse alone, anyone could say that salvation is only by faith through faith, to the exclusion of repentance and works.

By that rule of exclusion from other Scriptures:

Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ,

By this verse alone, anyone could say that justification is by faith of Jesus Christ alone, to the exclusion of repentance and works and grace.

Titus{3:3}
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

And by this verse alone, anyone can say that salvation is by the mercy of God alone, to the exclusion of repentance and works and grace and faith.

However, taken in context of all Scripture together, not only unifies the gospel of Jesus Christ into one principle doctrine, but also does away with the ad absurdum of isolating one Scripture to the exclusion of others:

Mark{1:15}
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Heb {6:1}
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

2 Cor 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of:

Repentance is principally necessary for salvation by grace through faith toward God.

James{2:14}
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?...Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James{2:21}
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?...Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

And works are necessary to be saved and justified by grace through faith of Jesus Christ.

And so, when we read any Scripture, we must always include all Scripture pertaining to the same thing, in order to know the unified principle gospel and doctrine of Jesus Christ.

Anyone teaching falsely from any certain Scripture, but excluding other Scripture pertaining to it, is advocating for a gospel and doctrine of another Christ, not the Jesus Christ of Scriptures.

Gal 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

The Catholic Church adds the seven sacraments and the ten commandments as necessary for salvation.

Do you agree?

 

[Journey_man]

According to you, everyone must have sin like you and say so. I don't have your sin.

According to Scripture, Jesus has no sin in His body. Nor in any bone thereof:

1Jo 3:5
And we know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him is not sinning: whosoever is sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.

Eph 5:30
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Ps 14:1-4 condemns the unbelievers not seeking God, and not doing any good on earth.

Psa 14:1
[[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

1 John 1:5-7 condemns the believers saying they are in the light and have no sin, while walking in darkness.

1Jo 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1Jo 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1Jo 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1Jo 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If you still have your sin, then you are certainly free to apply any condemnation of Scripture to yourself. Having repented of my sin for Jesus' sake, I am certainly free to apply the Scriptures of the blessed to myself in John 1:29, 1 John 3:5, and 3 John 11.

Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1Jo 3:5
And we know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him is not sinning: whosoever is sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.
3 John{1:11}
Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that is doing good is of God: but he that is doing evil hath not seen God.

Nevertheless, this we know, that Ps 14:1-4 & 1 John 1:5-7, do not at all apply to John 1:29, 1 John 3:5, and 3 John 11, and visa versa...No one can possibly be both condemned by Scripture of God and justified by Jesus Christ, at the same time.

Once again, it's the great error of separating Scripture from Scripture, for anyone to say they still have their sin, and the Lamb of God has taken away their sin. Nor can anyone dwell in the light, and also walk in darkness...

So, you think it's wise to set Gods Word against Gods Word. I quoted a verse of scripture and you simply ignored it and plucked a bunch of unrelated verses, then took them out of their intended context and misapplied them. That makes a mockery of Gods Word.

 

[Journey_man]

Only the wicked god of this world admires someone while committing adultery and murder.

Jesus Christ justifies them that repent of all such sins and trespasses, which David did with his whole heart:

Psa 51:2
Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.






The righteous by law alone, or by faith alone, are them that repent not to be righteous with Jesus Christ.

We that repent of our sinning for Jesus' sake are now His righteousness on earth.

2Co 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Rom 6:18

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.




If you are still a sinner in need of repentance, then yes, that's certainly you Jesus comes for to repent. And so, repent, and He will also make you His righteousness on earth as us that have repented.

Acts{3:19}
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Rom 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

A gospel that does not begin with repentance, does not end with righteousness.

As usual, I can't find anything in your reply that makes any Biblical sense. You say,

"Only the wicked god of this world admires someone while committing adultery and murder". That again contradicts Gods Word, because His Word reveals in
Romans 5:8"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

So it sounds like you have confused the god of this world with the God of the Bible, at least you're consistent.
Now who does God love while they are unbelieving sinners????? yes thank you.

Unlike yourself, I have not yet attained sinless perfection. I'm like the Apostle Paul and King David, I still wrestle against the temptation to sin and it gets the better of me on a daily basis.

You probably have no time for sinners like us, but spare a thought for that wretched man Paul and his struggle with the power of sin that dominates him.

Romans 7:15 "For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that do I."
Romans 7:19 "For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice."

You come across as a legalist, the Scribes and Pharisees were also self righteous legalists. But the Lord Jesus said they were children of the Devil.

 

[Journey_man]

Mark{1:15}
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Acts{3:19}
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Deu 4:29
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

We are the ones that repent to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.


Rom 2:5
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Mat 11:20
Then began Jesus to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:

Rev 2:21
And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Rev 16:11
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

We are not the vast majority that repent not.

Mat 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


2Co 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Rev 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Heb 7:26
For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

There is no mystery here in the Scriptures, but very simple and plain for anyone to read and understand and choose life or death.

If you're so upset about being the unrepentant sinners set apart from Jesus Christ, then do as He commands and repent, and His promise will be for you also. Jesus has died for sins, was buried for 3 days, and is risen again for the sole purpose of giving His life to them that repent.

Phl 3:8
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,...That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

If you find you cannot repent, then seek and ask the Lord to grant you His repentance unto life. It's how we all come to the knowledge of the truth and do it.

But searching for Scriptures of condemnation to apply to yourself without repentance, doesn't save nor justify anyone. Believing the Scriptures that condemn us, is not believing the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Believing if we repent, then we also shall not be condemned, is believing the gospel of Jesus Christ...

Thank you for sharing the gospel with me, but you didn't answer my question. I simply asked who are those who believe the gospel, and why do they believe it while the vast majority reject it and remain in their fallen condemned state.

Some believe it all comes down to how wise one is, some are born with high a high IQ and they're able to figure out that choosing to spend eternity in paradise is a better option than spending eternity being tormented in hell fire.
It's obviously a very difficult choice to make, hence most get it wrong and choose hell.

My question was, why do you think that most make the wrong choice.

 

[Wansvic]

There is no dispute about the name of Jesus to be baptized for. The dispute is water baptism for remission of sins, that is no more preached after Acts 2:39. Not by any apostles, including Peter.

So read Acts 10 again, of how receiving the holy Ghost by hearing of faith, is the reason Peter does not forbid water to baptize Cornelius and his household in the name of Jesus.

Or, don't read it again. Since you haven't so far taught from Scripture how anyone can receive Jesus Christ without having sins remitted, then you likely won't. Which is because it's not possible.

Remission of sins is by receiving Jesus Christ, whose Holy Spirit washes away all sins. Which is the baptism and circumcision of the Spirit, not that of men's hands on the flesh and in the water.

Acts 10:43 actually says believers receive remission of sin through the name of Jesus. And all detailed conversion accounts note water baptism in the name of Jesus as an element of the NT rebirth.

 

[Wansvic]

Not on this post. I said, and I quote:

So, let's compare some coming to preach water baptism to be saved, with certain first coming to preach flesh circumcision to be saved.

First the Jew:

Act 15:1
And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Now the Christian:

And certain men taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be baptized after the manner of Peter, ye cannot be saved.

We see here the exact comparison of two commanded works to be saved, both being taught by certain people to the brethren.

Both certain of the Jews first and also some of the Christians are doing exactly the same, in preaching a commanded work: It's taught by some not all; It's taught to be saved; And it's taught to the brethren, that have recieved the Spirit by hearing of faith.

And they are also the same works by men's hands: Flesh circumcision and Water baptism.

I've responded to your every lead, and now it's time for you to do the same courtesy. This is a debate between two people, not just throwing things up against a deaf wall.

Acts 15:1 cannot be used to dispute the NT teaching on water baptism because the comparison is fundamentally flawed.

The false teaching in Acts 15:1 was that Gentiles had to be circumcised according to the Law of Moses in order to be saved—a requirement that Christ never commanded for NT believers.

By contrast, water baptism is a NT command given by Jesus and consistently preached by His apostles. Scripture repeatedly associates obedience to water baptism with the remission of sins (Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16) and records the apostles continuing to command baptism after the Jerusalem Council (Acts 16:15, 33; Acts 19:5). Therefore, the erroneous claim that circumcision was necessary for salvation cannot be used to invalidate the biblical teaching that believers are commanded to obey NT water baptism, through which Scripture reveals sins are remitted by the saving work of Jesus Christ. The comparison simply is not between equivalent teachings.

 

[Wansvic]

Water baptism is NT law. And so, certain people preaching commanded works to be saved, whether OT or NT law, is not commanded by the apostles of the Lord Jesus.

Choosing one apostle about all others, is certain people preaching idolatry to the brethren.

We preach to the brethren to keep all the commandments of God, not idolizing one commanded work above all others to be saved by.

You've made a sidestepping response, but at least it's sort of a response.

No one is idolizing Peter. The issue is whether Peter faithfully proclaimed the message Jesus gave him to preach. Jesus entrusted Peter with the keys of the kingdom (Matt.:19), commanded the apostles to teach all nations (Matt. 28:19-20), and promised the Holy Ghost would guide them into all truth (John 16:13). When Peter commanded repentance and water baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38), he was not inventing a doctrine or elevating one work above all others. He was delivering the gospel as an apostle of Christ.

I am not choosing Peter over the other apostles. I am pointing out that none of the other apostles ever corrected Peter's message or preached a different plan of salvation. Instead, they preached in harmony. Paul himself taught there is one foundation built upon the apostles (Eph. 2:20), and wrote, "whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed" (1 Cor. 15:11). That is the opposite of competing apostolic messages.

Nor is water baptism being isolated from the rest of God's commands. It is one of Christ's appointed commands concerning the new birth, just as repentance and receiving the Holy Ghost are. Obeying a specific command that Scripture associates with the remission of sins is not idolatry—it is simply believing and obeying what Christ revealed through His apostles.

If the claim is that Acts 2:38 is merely Peter's opinion and not Christ's command, then the burden is to show where any apostle—or Jesus Himself—ever corrected or contradicted Peter. Scripture never does. Instead, the biblical record consistently confirms the apostolic message.

 

[Wansvic]

More sidestepping.

Recieving the Spirit by faith does not negate keeping any commandment of God, but ensures keeping them all.



Paul uses flesh circumcision to preach against negating the Spirit, by works of the law for salvation.



Correct. Not by commanded works of law, whether OT or NT.


True. It doesn't matter which commandment is kept first, but only that all are kept by receiving and walking after the Spirit through faith.


No work of the law pleases God without faith.




You've reversed the first two in principle:

Mark{1:15}
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

You preach against faith alone salvation apart from works, and yet you preach their first principle of justification by faith alone in Christ, with some repentance following...

Did you make a mistake, or do you also preach your own gradual sanctification process too?

When my points from post 546 are kept intact the meaning is clear:

1. Galatians is about circumcision, not water baptism.
   • It argues that Paul's concern in Galatians was the false teaching that NT believers had to keep the OT command of circumcision to be saved.
   • Therefore, Galatians should not be used to dismiss the NT command of water baptism.
2. Receiving the Spirit comes through faith that obeys the gospel.
   • It explains Paul's statement that the Galatians received the Spirit through faith as referring to a faith that accepts and obeys the gospel message.
   • It emphasizes that everyone who believes and obeys the gospel is promised the Holy Ghost, even though the chronological order of water baptism and receiving the Spirit may vary in Acts.
3. Water baptism is not an isolated saving act.
   • It specifically states that "water baptism in and of itself does not save anyone."
   • Instead, it presents baptism as one essential part of the New Testament new birth, alongside:
     • faith in Jesus,
     • repentance,
     • baptism in Jesus' name for remission of sins,
     • receiving the Holy Ghost.
4. Jesus Himself taught these elements.
   • It supports repentance with Luke 13:5.
   • It supports baptism with Mark 16:15–16.
   • It supports the indwelling Spirit with Jesus' promises in John 14.
   • It concludes with John 12:48 to stress that Christ's own words are the standard of judgment.
5. The Christian life involves the whole person.
   • By citing 1 Thessalonians 5:23, it suggests that God's work of salvation encompasses spirit, soul, and body.

Paul's prayer in 1 Thess. 5:23 reminds us that God's work of salvation is complete, reaching the whole person—spirit, soul, and body. Likewise, the NT presents repentance, water baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins, and receiving the Holy Ghost as God's appointed provisions in bringing believers into that complete new birth.

And for clarity, God's appointed provisions mean the specific resources, help, or care that God has planned and designated for a person, delivered at the exact time and place He intends. It combines God's intentional timing ("appointed") with His promise to supply what is needed ("provision")

 

[Dino246]

You've reversed the first two in principle:

Mark{1:15}
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Repentance without faith is as empty as faith without repentance.

 

[mailmandan]

Repentance without faith is as empty as faith without repentance.

Amen! To say, "I repented, but I don't have faith," is an oxymoron, just as to say, "I have faith, but I never repent," is also an oxymoron. In regard to receiving salvation, repentance and faith are two sides to the same coin. Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[ATG]

I agree with this in general, but I would add an important caution. When comparing two passages of Scripture, we must guard against confirmation bias—the tendency to assume our interpretation of the first passage is correct and then “hear” that same truth echoed in the second, even when the second passage is teaching a different, though related, truth.

Excellent point. And this is exactly how false teaching can be expanded into more false teaching for others Scriptures pertaining to the same teaching or prophecy.

Our first false interpretation becomes the standard of more false teaching. That's the danger avoided by taking every Scripture in context of all other Scriptures.

Good exegesis requires us to let each passage speak in its own voice. Otherwise, we risk importing the argument of one text into another and missing the distinct contribution the second text is making.

But then this can result in the error above: If the passage's 'voice'/interpretation is our own, then all other Scriptures become infected with it.

By keep every Scripture in context of all, we ensure the passage's voice is Christ's, not our own:

2Pe 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The simple way to avoid false interpretation and teaching of Scripture, is that if any interpretation of a single Scripture is plainly contradicting by any other verse of Scripture, then it must be discarded as our own, and not Christ's.

I have experienced for myself, as well as seen it in others, that we can devote a whole study to a teaching or prophecy from many Scriptures, and then one Scripture enters in to destroy it, by plainly contradicting the interpretation.

Ex: perhaps we've all seen the great abundance of time, effort, and teaching that the created-Christ believers put into their theology. And yet one or two simple Scriptures destroy the whole bad idol they've made for themselves by false interpretation and teaching of an abundance of Scriptures:

Jhn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh.

Heb 1:18
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

I compare it to Daniel's stone cut out of the mountain, that falls upon the mixed toes of the great statue, and the whole body of man's work must come crumbling down.

It's at times like that, when we prove our purpose is truth of Scripture, or our own personal truth made out of Scripture...

 

[Wansvic]

You've reversed the first two in principle:

Mark{1:15}
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

You preach against faith alone salvation apart from works, and yet you preach their first principle of justification by faith alone in Christ, with some repentance following...

Did you make a mistake, or do you also preach your own gradual sanctification process too?

You quoted Hebrews 6:1, but you stopped before verse 2. The writer doesn't end the list with "repentance from dead works" and "faith toward God." He continues with "the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Omitting verse 2 gives the impression that repentance and faith are the only foundational doctrines when the passage itself says otherwise.

Likewise, Mark 1:15 establishes the necessity of repentance and faith, and I fully agree. But neither Mark 1:15 nor Hebrews 6:1–2 teaches that repentance and faith are the complete NT response to the gospel after Christ's death, burial, and resurrection.

The apostles consistently preached belief in Jesus, repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and receiving the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38; Acts 8; Acts 10; Acts 19; Acts 22:16). That is the biblical response of faith to God's revealed plan of salvation.

Faith is what moves a person to obey God's commands. Repentance, water baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost are not additions to faith—they are acts of obedient faith revealed by Christ and His apostles. Scripture never separates genuine faith from obedience.

 

[ATG]

Your equating one's pointing out what the Word actually reveals as idolizing Peter or any other apostle is ridiculous.

We'll see. However, we first see that you do not deny the common understanding from Acts 2:38 baptism preachers, that it's Peter's baptism they preach.

You also do not deny the exact comparison between certain people teaching the brethren to do a commanded work, else you cannot be saved.
The only difference being the commanded work, both of which are with men's hands: Flesh circumcision and water baptism.

You certain people are not come out to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to unbelievers, but come only to the brethren, with a teaching of our own, not of all the churches of God. And so fulfill the exact same comparison of those certain agitators for flesh circumcision:

Act 15:24
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

You depart from the teaching of all the apostles, but only one, Peter, whom you place above all the rest. And Peter himself, only preached baptism for remission of sins the first one time only, but no more afterward, even to the Jews in Jerusalem.

And you expect an brother in Christ to believe that Peter was speaking for all apostles for all time in Acts 2:38, and yet neglected to preach baptism specifically for remission of sins thereafter...Just left that part out for the next new believers to assume, because it was preached once however many days, weeks, or years before.

 

[ATG]

It was Jesus who gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter, (Matt. 16:19) and told him to feed the Lord's lambs, sheep, and again His sheep. (John 21:15-17) And Peter did just that by initially "feeding" the same gospel message to Jews (lambs) and Gentiles (sheep), and assisting in the conversion process of the Samaritans (sheep). The accounts reveal everything that's necessary to know for all of mankind to receive the NT rebirth. (Acts 2:4-42, 8:12-18, 10:43:48, 19:1-7)

Peter, Peter, Peter... no idolizing here. Which idolizing is proven by the false teaching that only Peter has recieved the keys to the kingdom from Jesus Christ:

Mat 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

If the keys are given to Peter alone, then you must also now agree with the Catholics, that Peter is the Rock upon which Jesus builds His church. No doubt the Acts 2:38 baptizers are the popes of baptism with the authority of Peter.

Mat 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

This rock that Jesus builds His church upon is the confession of faith, that Jesus is the Christ of God: Receiving the witness of the Father and Spirit, that Jesus Christ is both Savior and Lord. He is the only Rock that He builds His church upon:

Acts{3:19}
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Peter may indeed have been the first to confess Jesus Christ, but he certainly is not the only one, nor the last.

No Christian should be surprised by anyone idolizing one apostle over another, since it was done and warned against from the beginning:

Co 1:12
Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

And furthermore we see that this division among the churches by idolatrizing certain apostles, had to do with water baptism.

No Christians can honestly say therefore, that commanding water baptism as a necessary work for remission of sins, does not tempt and produce idiolatry among the baptizers with sacred hands.

 

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But sadly many refuse to accept the truth that is so clearly expressed in the Word of God. And instead accuse those who are sincerely trying to help as being the problem.

And here we have proof of the whole matter for certain that come to 'help':

Help who? The brethren already confessing Jesus Christ.

Mat 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Help with what? To save them already confessing Jesus Christ.

Act 15:24
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

I know about such certain men and women going out of their way; Not to win souls to Christ, but to save souls confessing Jesus Christ. I was once one of them. Not an Acts 2:38 sacred baptizer, but a holiness Pentercoster. We also would come out to save Christians confessing Jesus Christ, that they must do our works of holiness, else ye cannot be saved...

The schism begins and ends exactly the same in the body of Christ: First, a special rule and command is taken out of context of Scripture, that separates a certain church from all other churches confessing Jesus Christ. Then, that special rule and work of law must be imposed on the brethren of Jesus Christ, in order to save their day, whose day is already saved by Jesus Christ Himself: Without the sacred help of men's hands in holiness dress, or water baptism, or flesh circumcision...

Rev 6:1
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

 

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The circumcision is “in the Spirit”, not “of the spirit”, and certainly not “of the Spirit”.

You would do well to pay closer attention to the little words. They are important.

Col 2:11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

And just in case you need more little words to convince you of the Spirit's circumcision of the heart:

Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Christ is that Spirit that circumcises without hands.

Christ is also that Spirit that baptizes without water.

1Co 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

There is the baptism and circumcision of the Spirit, and that of the flesh with hands. The Spirit saves the soul by hearing of faith, not any flesh of circumcision, or water of baptism.

 

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The Catholic Church adds the seven sacraments and the ten commandments as necessary for salvation.

Do you agree?

Receiving the Spirit by hearing of faith, is all that is necessary for salvation from sins.

Keeping His commandments is always with faith in Jesus Christ.

Seven sacraments are traditions of men, not gospel and doctrine of Christ.

 

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So, you think it's wise to set Gods Word against Gods Word.

So, you think it's wise to separate God's words from God's words.

1Jo 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jo 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
How can any member of the body of Christ have sin, and Jesus Christ has no sin in Him?

We who have Jesus Christ, in whom is no sin, have no sin in us; We have Jesus Christ in us, not sin of the devil.

1Jo 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him is sinning not: whosoever is sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.

Only those sinning have sin in them, and not Jesus Christ. If we sin, and say we have no sin, the truth Jesus Christ is not in us. Neither if we do works of darkness, and say we walk in the light with Jesus Christ...

I quoted a verse of scripture and you simply ignored it

Read again. I corrected your bad teaching of it, which justifies still having sin, as though any member of the body of Christ does have sin in Him.

and plucked a bunch of unrelated verses, then took them out of their intended context and misapplied them. That makes a mockery of Gods Word.

Of course the difference is that I give the Scriptures to correct others. You just accuse others when hearing what you don't like.

2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The wise man receives correction from the words of God.