Yes, and you should note that pagan-like babbling is the only type of tongues I "reference" as problematic,
because Satan can imitate it (as well as "light").
GOD'S WORD vs. man's opinion like GWHs.
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Yes, and you should note that pagan-like babbling is the only type of tongues I "reference" as problematic,
because Satan can imitate it (as well as "light").
The difference between you and me is I share HIS WORD, not my opinion.
You share your opinion, and as I said if it's NOT in HIS word it's lie from Satan!!
FYI, no reason for me to respond to you any more.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED, we both know that's not going to happen.
You don't want me commenting here cause you won't like it so do not continue in my thread with the desire to get attention. Thank u. Respect is earned, it's NOT one of the gifts.
This is not your thread, so practice what you request and earn some respect!
Our difference is that I admit my fallibility while you have delusions of grandeur/being a Pope!
When was the last time you heard 'demonic tongues'. Are you able to tell the difference between Holy Spirit tongues and the tongues of an angel of light? For that matter, do you believe that tongues are still available for all who believe in what Paul writes in the NT or are you of the belief that you know him personally and can attest he told you they are no more?
See, nowhere in the Bible are we told that tongues will cease although cessationists and partial cessationists stand on I Cor. 13:8
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. I absolutely believe that in some cases knowledge is rare or absent altogether, but since Paul also admonishes us to continue in the gifts and in fact says he speaks in tongues more than anyone, I would find it irresponsible to create a doctrine out of one verse while entire passages in scripture teach on that gift with Paul saying DO NOT FORBID SPEAKING INTONGUES
As for what you call babbling, well sorry to disappoint you, but that gift is not meant to address you at all.
2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. I Cor. 14:2
I think Jesus (Matthew 22) was speaking to the Jews regarding the law.
The new commandment under the new covenant surpasses and fulfills the law.
Gentiles are under grace and were never under the law.
Galatians 5:4-6
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
1. See, nowhere in the Bible are we told that tongues will cease.
2. I Cor. 13:8, Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease."
You just exposed your illogic/bias.
Paul devoted one passage in Scripture to regulating tongues because it had become a divisive problem in C,
as it is here on CC.
Okay, and I think what Jesus said to Jews applies also to Gentiles: the HS's love fulfills the OT law.
And that divisive problem continues to this day when people such as yourself insist on calling legitimate tongues 'babble'. CC is just a microcosim of belivers but I must say, that little slice is a pretty good indication of churches today. Often when someone goes into left field with what they have to say, if you check their profile, they do not go to church but are studied up by themselves. Interestingly, when we check up on your profile, we find out that you have some sort of what appears to be a type of 'Paul cult' going on. That is almost funny as there are folks who cannot stand Paul and say he does not have the mind of Christ.
I think you may need to go back and review all that Paul had to say about the gifts, tongues being one and having more than one use. The only thing being 'exposed' here is your bias and mashup of what is contained in the letters Paul wrote. There are people who do not believe in God and in fact, there is one such person currently posting in this forum. Shall we cease to believe in order not to cause division and or insult this person?
If division here or elsewhere is your chief concern, then perhaps try to tone down the Paul thing. I see where it's causing division in several threads; perhaps you are not aware?
Please quote me calling legitimate tongues "babble".
Also, please explain where I have a "Paul cult going on".
Division occurs when folks misunderstand and misconstrue comments instead of seeking clarification.
Yes, unity is one of my chief concerns, so I welcome you quoting where I cause it, so I can "tone down".
Thanks.
You cannot have unity by Paulineing everythingFunny you should say that "Division occurs when folks misunderstand and misconstrue comments instead of seeking clarification."
How is saying that "funny"?
Annnnndddd here you go as requested: "IMO it is clear that Paul placed understanding above babbling."
How is sharing my opinion/interpretation "causing division"?
Re "Have you tried one of those brain supplements?
I'm really not a mean person, but you did say what you said."
How is saying what you said not being demeaning?
The problem you have here is that Jesus was only sent to the Jews.
Lot's of folk have an issue with this and especially traditional church folk.
Matthew 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
This means that the law is embedded within the words that Jesus speaks.
The law does not generate righteousness so the law is a poor master to have.
The Spirit leads ands teaches us all things in the New Testament and not the law.
The law was temporary and useless and and only delivers a knowledge of sin.
Galatians 5:16-18
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh
sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition
to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. But if you are led by the Spirit,
you are not under the Law.
This verse from Matthew 15:24 is part of a conversation between Jesus and a Canaanite woman who asked him to heal her daughter. It’s one of several passages that has generated significant theological discussion about the scope of Jesus’s mission.
Many argue that Jesus’s response here was part of testing the woman’s faith or teaching his disciples about faith and persistence. Notably, Jesus does heal the woman’s daughter after she demonstrates remarkable faith, suggesting his mission wasn’t actually limited to Israel alone.