How non believers may view Christian's.

[Nufan]

This 325 AD Creed also uses a terminology to signify something unique within God, they called it the [Same Essence]. What do you believe they were implying by saying God is the [Same Essence] between the Godhead?

This is interesting, something worth while to look into. I believe what they're saying is that they are three separate gods who are one through essence. Lets look up the greek word for essence and see what it says.

The generally agreed-upon meaning of ousia in Eastern Christianity is "all that subsists by itself and which has not its being in another" – in contrast to hypostasis, which is used to mean "reality" or "existence".

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

This is interesting, something worth while to look into. I believe what they're saying is that they are three separate gods who are one through essence. Lets look up the greek word for essence and see what it says.

The generally agreed-upon meaning of ousia in Eastern Christianity is "all that subsists by itself and which has not its being in another" – in contrast to hypostasis, which is used to mean "reality" or "existence".

This term is from the Greek homo (same or identical), and ousia (being or essence). It is the word translated in the English version of the Nicene Creed as “being of one substance” (BCP, p. 327, Rite 1) or “of one Being” (BCP, p. 358, Rite 2).


Yes, it really goes beyond what we think Scripture is saying or implying to us. This is why I ask because it could be the entire key to Who God is that we are unable to comprehend.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

This creed, was meant to unify the Christian people who were known a Catholic at the time which is universal faith. To give the people proper understanding of the core faith and its beliefs, and to provide them with essentially a guide, so they can have proper teaching and know how to follow christ.

So far, seems 'the creed' has failed in unification of us of "mutual faith in Christ,"
and, further, there is also one more Biblical [ 'Rightly Divided' ] view of how to
"follow Christ", eh?:

I have decided to follow Jesus?

Amen.

 

[Nufan]

This term is from the Greek homo (same or identical), and ousia (being or essence). It is the word translated in the English version of the Nicene Creed as “being of one substance” (BCP, p. 327, Rite 1) or “of one Being” (BCP, p. 358, Rite 2).


Yes, it really goes beyond what we think Scripture is saying or implying to us. This is why I ask because it could be the entire key to Who God is that we are unable to comprehend.

Very nice, thanks for sharing. Im going to look more into this.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Very nice, thanks for sharing. Im going to look more into this.

May God Keep and Bless You!

 

[Nufan]

So far, seems 'the creed' has failed in unification of us of "mutual faith in Christ,"
and, further, there is also one more Biblical [ 'Rightly Divided' ] view of how to
"follow Christ", eh?:

I have decided to follow Jesus?

Amen.

I believe that's because the Catholic Church kept altering and changing it.There's many different creeds now. This is due to their view of what they think the Nicene creed is implying and emphasizing. There's nothing else that has unified christian better than the creed. That's essentially where the core beliefs for trinitarian Christianity come from. That also brings me to the core of my argument.That its the institutions that have been sowing hate and bringing about the devision.It's not the creed, it's not the apostles it's not Jesus.We are instructed to follow Jesus, not a institution.And that's why I don't call myself Christian.Because the word christian now applies to the institution and not a follower of christ.

 

[Nufan]

May God Keep and Bless You!

Thank you. God bless

 

[Nufan]

Go ahead and laugh, this is the status of why people are leaving christianity. This was in 2022. At the rate of decline in the next 500 years christianity will be dead.

 

[Nufan]

Their saying by 2070 we will lose half of christian population, so maybe sooner then we think.

 

[Magenta]

This creed, was meant to unify the Christian people who were known a Catholic at the time which is universal faith.

Catholic means universal, not Roman Catholic.

 

[Nufan]

Catholic means universal, not Roman Catholic.

I neaver mentioned roman catholic. Yes I know catholic means universal. Thats what I said. Their faith is a universal faith.

 

[Nufan]

Universal: of, affecting, or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to all cases.

 

[Magenta]

I neaver mentioned roman catholic. Yes I know catholic means universal. Thats what I said. Their faith is a universal faith.

You have mentioned Catholics a lot. Capitalizing catholic (universal) means Roman Catholic (not universal).

 

[Nufan]

You have mentioned Catholics a lot. Capitalizing catholic (universal) means Roman Catholic (not universal).

Well, first of all, I haven't mentioned Catholic a lot. What I mentioned was catholic means universal because one holy Catholic and apostolic churche is in the Nicene creed. That's the only reason why I brought up Catholic. And I'm clarifying that it's not referring to Roman Catholic. It was shortly after the nicene creed was established, that emperor Constantine came on to the scene. He's the one that ended the war on Christians and established the first Christian institution in Rome, which is now known as the Vatican. Before that, there was no institution, so let me give you a brief history. The institution hijacked the title Catholic and applied it to themselves, mainly because the majority of the people who were following the faith embraced the institution. Because they had the wealth, they have the resources, they had the education, and they also were doing a lot of good in the world. Such as coming against Gnostics, Islam, and Jewdeizers. So let me give you a brief history of the different groups that are involved with this catholic faith. They were first known as Proto Orthodox. We then get east and west, you have coptics, Assyrian church of the east, Armenian, Syraic, Ethiopian Tewahedo. These were all considered as one catholic faith. They split and divided which is what institutions do, due to beliefs on Trinity, and a different dogma's, and saints such as st. Gregory Palamas vs. St Thomas Aquinas. They essentially had to break away from the institution and become independent. Most of the groups now are part of the Asian orthodox, Eastern orthodox, Roman catholic, and eastern catholic such as Bysintine catholic. You now have even more splits do to traditionalists and devout worship not being supported by roam.

 

[FRB72]

You have mentioned Catholics a lot. Capitalizing catholic (universal) means Roman Catholic (not universal).

I tend to regard the word “Catholic” as a branding position rather than a self-evident truth. Many communist countries include the word “Democratic” in their national identities but fail to practice this aspect. In the same way, “catholic” means universal but the application to the Roman influenced variant of Christianity doesn’t make it so…

 

[Nufan]

I tend to regard the word “Catholic” as a branding position rather than a self-evident truth. Many communist countries include the word “Democratic” in their national identities but fail to practice this aspect. In the same way, “catholic” means universal but the application to the Roman influenced variant of Christianity doesn’t make it so…

I agree thanks.

 

[Magenta]

Well, first of all, I haven't mentioned Catholic a lot.

There are now 16 individual posts where you mention catholic or Catholic, and like now, you capitalize it, which makes it a proper noun in reference to Catholicism (Roman Catholic). If you mean to say catholic as in universal, you should not be capitalizing the word. Also, some of your usages were clearly about the Roman Catholic faith, and not universal faith.

 

[Magenta]

I tend to regard the word “Catholic” as a branding position rather than a self-evident truth. Many communist countries include the word “Democratic” in their national identities but fail to practice this aspect. In the same way, “catholic” means universal but the application to the Roman influenced variant of Christianity doesn’t make it so…

I have no idea what you are talking about with branding positions and communists. When someone
puts Catholic and not catholic, that makes it a proper noun. This is simple enough to understand.
The word catholic as a proper noun refers to Catholicism and not the word meaning universal.

 

[Nufan]

There are now 16 individual posts where you mention catholic or Catholic, and like now, you capitalize it, which makes it a proper noun in reference to Catholicism (Roman Catholic). If you mean to say catholic as in universal, you should not be capitalizing the word. Also, some of your usages were clearly about the Roman Catholic faith, and not universal faith.

You're making a claim that's not true. I don't have 16 posts that mention Catholic. The only time I brought up Catholic is when it pertained to the nicene creed. I do have posts in other places where I have mentioned Catholic a few times because some of their old practices such as mortification of the flesh and deification I believe are good practices that are backed by the bible and have been lost through protestantism. These are still practices in Eastern orthodox today.

 

[Nufan]

I have no idea what you are talking about with branding positions and communists. When someone
puts Catholic and not catholic, that makes it a proper noun. This is simple enough to understand.
The word catholic as a proper noun refers to Catholicism and not the word meaning universal.

Okay, I get what you're saying now.I didn't understand, I get it now. My apology. I will make sure to use a lower case c instead of a capital C from now on.