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Furthermore . . .
The Bible teaches Jesus is Lord. He is the Savior. Romans 1 tells us He was declared to be the Son of God by His Resurrection. Also, whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord. Colossians 3. Not in the name of anyone else. Not Joe Smith, not a pope, not Mohammed. Also, you have misapplied Matthew 7. In fact, you are guilty of what you condemn. You are judging. So you've misapplied the scripture.
The Bible teaches Jesus is Lord. He is the Savior. Romans 1 tells us He was declared to be the Son of God by His Resurrection. Also, whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord. Colossians 3. Not in the name of anyone else. Not Joe Smith, not a pope, not Mohammed. Also, you have misapplied Matthew 7. In fact, you are guilty of what you condemn. You are judging. So you've misapplied the scripture.
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What a crock! That's like saying, "GOD, YOU made me be born the way I am, therefore, I will always be that way"..How silly. That gives excuse for pagans to keep on being pagan. IT offers gays the 'rite' to keep on having same sex partners, etc. What is needed here is a good JOLT from the Holy Spirit...but only if the person is willing to surrender. We see NO surrender of their will over to CHRIST here...only a weak justification to remain an islamic, claiming CHRIST too...sheesh!!!!
Is it my imagination, or did Tani (the OP) make a HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL post,
which would CLEARLY upset everyone, and then run away...
never to be seen again.
Like... a... troll?
Ya know, trolls throw a hand grenade into a room, then run away laughing as it explodes.
If she was ANYTHING other than a troll, she'd be here supporting her position.
We should probably just ask the mods to remove this thread.
It's not even a real thread.
which would CLEARLY upset everyone, and then run away...
never to be seen again.
Like... a... troll?
Ya know, trolls throw a hand grenade into a room, then run away laughing as it explodes.
If she was ANYTHING other than a troll, she'd be here supporting her position.
We should probably just ask the mods to remove this thread.
It's not even a real thread.
Whoah, this comment is really full of ignorance.
Firstly, Muslim's do not believe that Muhammad is a God or an Idol - they believe he is the seal of the Prophets to fulfill the line of Prophets which came before him.
To suggest Muslim's worship Muhammad as a godlike figure is beyond sacrilege in their religion.
You are obviously Christian and do not believe in him, but hey, people need to respect one another.
I believe the point bhai Azizi is trying to make is - Islam relies upon the idea of Muhammad being the seal of the Prophets - and it brings upon the idea that Islam has existed since the time of Abraham - as in Arabic Islam means 'Submission to God'
Therefore the first believers in the God of Abraham can be referred to as Muslims or Islam without believing in Muhammad.
The same as how Christian's claim that the Prophets Noah, Abraham, Joseph etc. were Christian, yet the religion at the time was actually Judaism, which Christian's claim was later succeeded and fulfilled by Jesus.
Just as Christ which translates to Messiah, Christian meaning 'Follower of the Messiah', could also exist pre-Christianity, as the Jewish believe their Messiah is still coming and they are following what has been put in place before this event.
Also, not all the first followers of Jesus believed in the Trinity or that he as the literal Son of God. There were a lot of texts written with other views on his nature, these very texts destroyed by the same council in which their ideas of the trinity succeeded the others.
Firstly, Muslim's do not believe that Muhammad is a God or an Idol - they believe he is the seal of the Prophets to fulfill the line of Prophets which came before him.
To suggest Muslim's worship Muhammad as a godlike figure is beyond sacrilege in their religion.
You are obviously Christian and do not believe in him, but hey, people need to respect one another.
I believe the point bhai Azizi is trying to make is - Islam relies upon the idea of Muhammad being the seal of the Prophets - and it brings upon the idea that Islam has existed since the time of Abraham - as in Arabic Islam means 'Submission to God'
Therefore the first believers in the God of Abraham can be referred to as Muslims or Islam without believing in Muhammad.
The same as how Christian's claim that the Prophets Noah, Abraham, Joseph etc. were Christian, yet the religion at the time was actually Judaism, which Christian's claim was later succeeded and fulfilled by Jesus.
Just as Christ which translates to Messiah, Christian meaning 'Follower of the Messiah', could also exist pre-Christianity, as the Jewish believe their Messiah is still coming and they are following what has been put in place before this event.
Also, not all the first followers of Jesus believed in the Trinity or that he as the literal Son of God. There were a lot of texts written with other views on his nature, these very texts destroyed by the same council in which their ideas of the trinity succeeded the others.
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Since the Islamic shahada mentions both 'allah' and 'muhammad' in the very same breath....it is very easy to make the correlation that the two are somehow related to each other on more than just a human nature level.
This level is one that has been lost to Islamic ignorance of the past millennia when the original Koranic message was misinterpreted.
When it is accepted that the Koranic 'Muhammad' is actually an epithet representing the Biblical Jesus Christ, we can easily see how it originally was.
'Only the names have been adulterated to protect the innocent'....
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No my friend you cannot be both. That is a contradiction.
You either choose one or the other. Stop sitting on the fence!
Personally I would have it that you chose the only way to God and that is through His Son, Jesus.
So would God too but He is going to leave that up to you to decide. Even though He already knows.
You HAVE to be in agreement with scripture. Your very life depends on it!
Mark 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Sitting on the fence wont get you saved from Judgment day.
You either choose one or the other. Stop sitting on the fence!
Personally I would have it that you chose the only way to God and that is through His Son, Jesus.
So would God too but He is going to leave that up to you to decide. Even though He already knows.
You HAVE to be in agreement with scripture. Your very life depends on it!
Mark 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Sitting on the fence wont get you saved from Judgment day.
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Jesus said "Either you are for me or against me."
Edify? I edify believers. Christians. Those who have obeyed the gospel. Why would a person want to edify a Muslim? Do you know what edifies? What is it that edifies?
A person says I am a Muslim and believe this = "Jesus was not Son of God, Jesus was only a prophet."
Same person says I am a believer in Jesus and says this = "Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God."
And that's a mighty work of the Lord!
Edify? I edify believers. Christians. Those who have obeyed the gospel. Why would a person want to edify a Muslim? Do you know what edifies? What is it that edifies?
A person says I am a Muslim and believe this = "Jesus was not Son of God, Jesus was only a prophet."
Same person says I am a believer in Jesus and says this = "Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God."
And that's a mighty work of the Lord!