Is medication sin

[InSpiritInTruth]

so is it a sin to take meds ( which I rarely take except sinus meds for allergies) or not??

I would say meds are like money, the sin comes when someone covets and puts their faith and trust in them above that of God and His words.

 

[PeterJens]

I'm talking about anti psychotics anti depressants ect. not antibiotics or natural supplements.

After personal experience of patients on such medication, for some it is the only way to function and stay sane.
The patients feel "normal" on the drugs, so say I am cured why do I need them, but this demonstrates the exact opposite.
So unless you have shown you can really cope without medication, you have to 100% carry on.

The flip side of this is people learning to cope with their "insanity" so they can ignore it.
A film called a beautiful mind follows a mathmatician who constantly say three people who did not exist. In the end he learned to live with them by ignoring them, because that was better than the effects of the drugs.

I have heared manic depressives learning how to lift there mood when depressed and calm themselves down when hyper, which seemed to work for them.

So the hard lesson is you have really got to know who you are and how far you can push this.

So all I can say is talk to the people who know you, and look at what you do and how strong you are. There is no magic answer, but learning how to be calm, be patient and work out issues with others helps.

 

[PeterJens]

To answer you question is it sin? No, it is a way to survive. It is like asking is food sin? If used for self indulgence and greed, then it can be, but appropriately, no.

 

[gb9]

I would say meds are like money, the sin comes when someone covets and puts their faith and trust in them above that of God and His words.

I will go along with that. good answer.

 

[Depleted]

I don't think that using what God gave us in nature to restore and sustain our bodies is wrong, but Petro chemical medicine that only supresses the symptoms of a dis-ease, is nothing less than quackery, just like any backyard mechanic who gives you a hammer to smash out the red light on your dash board that shows something is wrong with your car but not does anything else. Daniel and his friends had great benefit with their diet at the time as well and God tells us to eat the fruit and seeds of nature and wow, seeds are so healthy for you.

Te root of witchcraft is all about control and yes, Big Pharma is out to that and create a pill or vaccine for everything. The germ theory is also not even completely correct as "bacteria are as much the cause of disease as flies are the cause of garbage". Flies are the result of garbage but not the cause, so also with bacteria. But bacteria and viruses are not always the cause as everything comes back to the state of you internal health or everybody would always and everywhere get sick from your flu etc.

"Let thy food be thy medicine and the medicine be thy medicine" is an old saying. In 1500 a scientist said: "Nature to be commanded is to be obeyed"

I have a few Christian friends who reversed their cancer as well. Have a look into Abram Hoffer and Naicin. He reversed psychosis, depression and schizophrenia in 6 months in 88% of his patients back in 1952 and kept working in the field until he was 90 and at that stage he was sharper than most half his age ;-)

Anti-biotics destroy a lot of your gut health, also called the your second brains, as it has more nerve cells than the brain and the Vegas nerve goes straight from the gut through the blood brain barrier. That's why they now reverse autism by restoring gut health. Someone with a head injury has a inflamed gut within 30 minutes and there are nine time more nerves going up the the brain than coming down. Use Oregano oil or coloidal silver instead if you like but use the right form. They used that before 1938.

The Flexner report of 1910 monopolized petro chemical medicine bro and by 1950 most natural schools of medicine had closed as the Rockefeller and Carnegie group had taken over the market. In the congressional records The Fitzgerald report of 1953 shows that there was a real war on unapproved natural medicine going on after they did research after the son of a senator was healed naturally of cancer. The AMA in 1987 was charged and tried Praise God after years trying to destroy the Chiropractic Industry but nothing has changed much. Money makes the world go round and big industry bullies lie and cheat and deceive to stay on top as humans are disposable. So sad.

These days we are all so programmed that, despite we know that a lemon helps with a cold, anything worse and go straight to the mortuary directors (MD) who only get one hour in nutrition during their years of training and only know to give that what they have been taught and told by Big Pharma or loose their profession. Have a look at John Oliver on marketing to Doctors. he is a bit rough on the edges but you will get then point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQZ2UeOTO3I

Gut health is the key as most chronic disease start there. I had a friend who reversed his non-hodskins lymphoma cancer now 18 years and that started my journey into natural medicine. I was always told natural stuff was quackery being brain washed by the media and the disease management industry. The money is in continuity drugs brother, not in getting people off them. God bless.

Good grief! I take statins because there is nothing I can do to control my triglycerides. Without the statins, I'd be doomed to a young life like my grandfather. (He died at 39 years old.)

I take low levels of oxycodone sparingly, because they know the cause of my pain, (pinched nerve in back that causes pain around the waist in the front), but can't stop the problem. The pain was so unbearable I literally writhed on the floor. With the pain meds, I'm functional now. But this is quackery?

Not as much as your theories by a shot!

There is no cure for many mental illnesses, but you're telling someone who has to deal with that this junk? Where is your mercy? Your compassion? Your common sense? Where is God in your life?

 

[Depleted]

What's that phante on? LOL

The elephant has been watching Snoopy dancing. lol

 

[pottersclay]

Imo the Lord can heal us as he chooses by his word or by his herbs. Then again he may not choose to heal us. The Lord is in control of all things.

 

[Kaycie]

It depends. God wants us to be sober-minded. Not all medicines are right for all people. But God put healing substances in the earth. Even natural foods have healing properties- like the green herb (veggies) God told us to eat. I could make a long list just on coconut oil. Aspirin is found in the bark of a tree, and can relieve pain, but it can also cause internal bleeding in some people. This is why you should be under a doctor's care. They've gone to school to learn what doctors have learned and past on since the beginning of time- that's a lot of trial and error, more than one human can accumulate in their lifetime.

And with such knowledge, a doctor can make a better decision than the average Joe. It gets pretty complicated. The first doctors were priests. Yes it's ok to see a doctor and to take medicine. But there are situations where it does more harm then good. Just like anything else, you have to make a decision according to the bible and your conscience. I don't take medicine unless I absolutely have to. But it is not a sin to take medicine, unless it is causing you to sin.

 

[planitsoon]

Pottersclay, I say that God already healed us like He said as the Word doesn't lie. Peter 2:24.says 'By His strypes you were healed'. His Word is the only real Truth out there, John 17:17. Jesus paid for all sin, healing and bondage 2000 years and just like we appropriated our salvation, to come into His Kingdom by faith, so we appropriate all His promises by faith into our lives and healing is in the Atonement. "Anything that is not off faith is sin", "The just shall walk by faith", "He who comes to God must believe He exists and is a Rewarder for those who diligently seek Him." "The righteousness that is of faith speaks", Faith speak to the mountain" etc etc. God doesn't heal anymore in the same way He doesn't save anymore, yes, His Holly Spirit draws us but we take that step by faith to believe Him so God already did as Jesus said "It is finished". In The NT no none ever that prayed to God for healing, instead we see people commanding healing. Peter said "Stand up and walk". Jesus did, the disciples did. God is not in control, he is in charge which is a big difference and it says that He (Jesus) must reign until he has out all enemies under His feet and the last enemy is death. God is in charge like any other government but guess what, stuff still happens and we also know that all of Gods will is not getting done on this earth as for example, people are still on their way to hell and He wants to save everyone. If God would be in control He is ultimately responsible for every action that humans have committed, all the abortions, beheadings, tortures etc etc. God have given us nature and despite that big industries have depleted the soil of minerals and nutrition, there are still many ways to benefit from that he gave us to sustain our bodies with A good book to read is from MD Joel Wallach who was 20 yrs a VET before he became a doc and treats his patients with the same principles as he did with his animals and with amazing results of course. He was able to grow new cartilage in a 97 year old man's knee. And know, one cannot grew new cartilage with Panadol and Cortisone. But give the body the right building blocks and it can restore. He wrote a book called "Dead doctors don't lie" An amazing informative book written by a doctor! Check it out

 

[Miri]

Here is my two penneth for what it's worth.


There is nothing wrong with taking prescribed drugs for medical
complaints, to imply it is wrong is a satanic lie.

Think about all the millions who would die in infancy (and still do in
some countries) due to a lack of simple vacinnes. Think about all
those religious sects who won't allow meds or blood transfusions because
their leaders say it is wrong. The truth is that without meds, vaccines,
antibiotics etc many on this website would not be alive today or would be
blind or crippled due to measles or polio for example. Many would have
died in infancy.

Satan would just love that, for millions and millions more to die in sin
simply because they refused a simple antibiotic to cure an infection.

God gave us brains for a reason, don't you think God wants us to discover
cures for terrible diseases, or scientific discoveries to helps us all.

Can God heal - yes
Does God heal - yes
Does God want us to die - no he wants us to have eternal life with him,
if medicine allows us to live longer lives to give people every opportunity to
come to salvation, then great.
Should Christians have prescribed meds - yes if they didn't many would never
have an opportunity to grow in faith, to carry out the good works God has planned
for them, to spread the gospel, to build up their faith.
Should we still pray for healing then - yes because modern medicine does not know
everything, because God wants his people to be well and live abundant lives, because
God is still on the throne and modern medicine is just scratching at the surface of
knowledge.

 

[JaumeJ]

We are taught that Luke was a physician. Medicine has its place in our live but the healing will always be conceded by God.

 

[coby]

so is it a sin to take meds ( which I rarely take except sinus meds for allergies) or not??

Depends, if it's real meds it's not a sin, but you still have to watch out. There's so many people who killed themselves because they got antidepressants or something and even one who got regular meds for physical pain. Not everything the doctor or psychiatrist, which I believe is not a real doctor, prescribes is kosher. They told me it was God given medicine in a big church, you have to go to the psychiater, it's good, it's a blessing from God, bless your pills. They know nothing, an atheist drugaddict had more sense: they make oxazepam from opium. You can get that on the black market illegal. Legalized all of a sudden everything is good? Yet someone else got it for his back ache and then I think it's okay. Dunno, just watch out with it. One guy on a forum got antidepressants and all of a sudden wanted to kill himself with a razor blade. On that forum it was forbidden to say those drugs were not good. Well I told him I had exactly the same thing, throw it away and here's T.B. Joshua, listen to him praying for viewers. He did, it was immediately gone. Lol then they removed my post and I got a warning, but he pm'd me to say thanks, it worked, it's gone.

 

[Lost_sheep]

Without my meds, I would be dead. Sinful or not, they help to stabilize me. I can beg God to heal me until rapture, but there's no guarantee praying will work. However, if I get an anxiety attack, I can take a Valium and be calm as a cucumber within 20 minutes, so I know it works.

Yeah, yeah...I know...there's some obscure Bible verse to rebuke me with. Whatever. I'm not risking getting off my meds.

 

[coby]

Without my meds, I would be dead. Sinful or not, they help to stabilize me. I can beg God to heal me until rapture, but there's no guarantee praying will work. However, if I get an anxiety attack, I can take a Valium and be calm as a cucumber within 20 minutes, so I know it works.

Yeah, yeah...I know...there's some obscure Bible verse to rebuke me with. Whatever. I'm not risking getting off my meds.

I wouldn't do that if God hasn't healed you, but people just have to watch out with that stuff. For me it was the other way around. Almost died because of prozac.

End Of Antidepressants? - 68 Times Greater Suicide Risk Shown!

 

[Angela53510]

Where do people get these utterly absurd ideas? Medicines have been tested in many double blind studies. They pretty much have all the side effects figured out. As people who use meds, we need to read up on the meds we take, preferably in a Doctor compendium, not just the Internet.

In about 2004, I was so ill, and taking so many meds, I was having to take meds to control the side effects of other meds. My doctor told me I was too complex for him, and gave me the year before's compendium. I read through every drug, and found out a lot of things. Like Reactine, an over the counter medicine my allergist prescribed for allergies was causing my liver enzymes to rise very high, and a cascade effect on a lot of other meds I need to take for RA, asthma, hyperthyroidism etc. I worked very hard to get off a number of meds, and my stomach was healed.

If it was not for my RA meds, I am literally unable to get out of bed, dress myself or feed myself. To say nothing of the grinding, unbearable pain. So I take cancer drugs. But they haven't really worked in more than a year, although a DMARD is working, that is supposed to raise liver enzymes, but mine have stayed low.

So lots of pain killers and anti-inflammatories, and two drugs. Rituxan, a biologic affected my lungs, and they have never completely recovered. And since I already have asthma, another 4 drugs there. Prednisone is my main med for RA, and it keeps me messed up. It is one of the worst meds in existence. I have to keep going off to make sure my adrenal gland doesn't become so addicted it will never work on its own today. And it leeches the bones of calcium, promotes mood swings and irritability. So a drug to counter that and more drugs to put me to sleep, which I don't need or use when I can get a biologic to work.

I do agree drugs can be dangerous. But I have a lot of friends with RA, and we all agree the side effects of the drugs are actually much less hard on our bodies than RA. My feet are terribly deformed, so I can barely move.The left foot has gotten much worse than it was a year ago, before the meds failed.

I seriously beg God to let the medications work.

As for psych meds, my husband suffers from severe depression. There have been weeks and months, where he could not get off the couch. Now he takes 2 meds for it, and he is perfectly functional. He gets up early to read his Bible, then has a lot of projects that need doing around the house, and he tries to fit some kind of exercise in. None of that would be possible without anti-depressant. But again, you do need to be careful. Prozac has a known reputation to cause suicidal ideation and death. So people need to take one of the other 13 AD's rather than just condemning all drugs outright.

I run a bipolar group, and all but one or two take meds. Most have had a very bad experience going off their meds and either trying to commit suicide or becoming manic, both requiring hospitalizations. One that is not taking uses pot instead. Like that is progress. Another one, a Buddhist, uses exercise and meditation. He has lately gotten involved with a Quaker church, which is very positive for him. He went from being an atheist to an agnostic. I do pray and witness to him.

Sorry for yet another long post. If I had a pastor who told me to go off my meds, I would go to the elder board and have him spoken to. If the pastor didn't stop talking such ignorant and dangerous things, I would definitely leave that church. In fact my present pastor has been on medications for severe depression since last spring, and has been on a medical leave. So he knows the value of psych meds and what they do.

 

[Grace777x70]

I started working in the pharmaceutical field in 1980 and I can tell you that all drugs will have side effects. Most drugs were meant to be a temporary relief until our body heals but in many cases this doesn't happen for various reasons.

I will tell you that most doctors know very little about nutrition. They are taught in medical school about allopathic medicine for the most part so they are going to prescribe drugs. Everyone is a product of what they are taught.

I would say to listen to the Holy Spirit inside your spirit to see what you are to do. If one isn't getting a clear understanding then they should keep on praying until these things become more solidified within themselves. I always advise people to stay on whatever they have now until directed by the Lord otherwise.

For someone to say it's a sin to take drugs prescribed by a doctor is just plain ignorance gone to seed. The Lord has a specific plan for each of us and our path may be different then someone else's. Focus on growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and in His finished work for us. He will direct the path we are to take.

In the same token to resign yourself to be on drugs for the rest of your life is not positioning ourselves to receive the things that the Lord has for us in His goodness and love and grace. The things that are already bought and paid for by His life and the shedding of His blood.

I would view the question like this...whatever state you find yourselves in...remain in it until directed by the Lord. Keep seeking Him. One word from Him can change any impossible looking situation.

 

[PeterJens]

Where do people get these utterly absurd ideas?

The sad thing is people do not share enough about their struggles and what has helped them.
There was a statement said by some in the past pew warmers. This was a very judgemental term for people who managed to make it to church but for whatever reason not much more.

I remember seeing a story about a boy who went to school who had some difficulty learning.
It turned out that his brain had continual seizures, and it was amazing that he was able to function at all, let alone appear almost normal.

If people opened up and shared more, about the hurts and pains and struggles they had, a lot more humbleness and less judgmentalism might grow, and the real blessing medicine has brought the world and the burning power within people to overcome massive obstacles.

I have a cousin in law whose son was diagnosed with schizophrenia, but he was so ashamed. Now I have lived with a close relative with this who has literally been saved by medication for 40 years, so I know how sad this situation is but also how brilliant it is that there is something that will help, else she would have been dead a long time ago. She is literally a very sweet person and is so concerned to help, but simply cannot cope with too much stress.

The more people understand the chemical nature of mental stability, and how it can go haywire, the less superstitious people might become. It is through love and openness that we find victory, seeing needs and meeting them.

 

[4enlightment]

Revelation 9:21 Says that we shouldn't practice witchcraft [Greek word; Pharmakeia] which is where we get our word pharmacy from.

It's description is sometimes translated by greek scholars as drugs.

I personally get perverse thoughts when I'm off of these medications but when I'm on them I get pretty bad side effects too so it's kind of a hard decision either way.

Now the medical world would tell you that these medications are not bad for you but I think theres many Christians who would say otherwise so it's hard to tell.

I'm talking about anti psychotics anti depressants ect. not antibiotics or natural supplements.

I've been told by pastors I should take my medication and i've been told by pastors their not good for me.

I personally have three diseases and I need to take a different type of medication called anti biotics in addition to the other stuff these make me pretty different because their killing off diseases in my body.

Meds are only to be use temporary, by giving a person time to build up their trust in God. Penicillin actually occur from nature, but the others that doesn't goes through an naturally occurring process, should not be taken at all, because it will have some type of ill effects on that person.

 

[4enlightment]

Where do people get these utterly absurd ideas? Medicines have been tested in many double blind studies. They pretty much have all the side effects figured out. As people who use meds, we need to read up on the meds we take, preferably in a Doctor compendium, not just the Internet.

In about 2004, I was so ill, and taking so many meds, I was having to take meds to control the side effects of other meds. My doctor told me I was too complex for him, and gave me the year before's compendium. I read through every drug, and found out a lot of things. Like Reactine, an over the counter medicine my allergist prescribed for allergies was causing my liver enzymes to rise very high, and a cascade effect on a lot of other meds I need to take for RA, asthma, hyperthyroidism etc. I worked very hard to get off a number of meds, and my stomach was healed.

If it was not for my RA meds, I am literally unable to get out of bed, dress myself or feed myself. To say nothing of the grinding, unbearable pain. So I take cancer drugs. But they haven't really worked in more than a year, although a DMARD is working, that is supposed to raise liver enzymes, but mine have stayed low.

So lots of pain killers and anti-inflammatories, and two drugs. Rituxan, a biologic affected my lungs, and they have never completely recovered. And since I already have asthma, another 4 drugs there. Prednisone is my main med for RA, and it keeps me messed up. It is one of the worst meds in existence. I have to keep going off to make sure my adrenal gland doesn't become so addicted it will never work on its own today. And it leeches the bones of calcium, promotes mood swings and irritability. So a drug to counter that and more drugs to put me to sleep, which I don't need or use when I can get a biologic to work.

I do agree drugs can be dangerous. But I have a lot of friends with RA, and we all agree the side effects of the drugs are actually much less hard on our bodies than RA. My feet are terribly deformed, so I can barely move.The left foot has gotten much worse than it was a year ago, before the meds failed.

I seriously beg God to let the medications work.

As for psych meds, my husband suffers from severe depression. There have been weeks and months, where he could not get off the couch. Now he takes 2 meds for it, and he is perfectly functional. He gets up early to read his Bible, then has a lot of projects that need doing around the house, and he tries to fit some kind of exercise in. None of that would be possible without anti-depressant. But again, you do need to be careful. Prozac has a known reputation to cause suicidal ideation and death. So people need to take one of the other 13 AD's rather than just condemning all drugs outright.

I run a bipolar group, and all but one or two take meds. Most have had a very bad experience going off their meds and either trying to commit suicide or becoming manic, both requiring hospitalizations. One that is not taking uses pot instead. Like that is progress. Another one, a Buddhist, uses exercise and meditation. He has lately gotten involved with a Quaker church, which is very positive for him. He went from being an atheist to an agnostic. I do pray and witness to him.

Sorry for yet another long post. If I had a pastor who told me to go off my meds, I would go to the elder board and have him spoken to. If the pastor didn't stop talking such ignorant and dangerous things, I would definitely leave that church. In fact my present pastor has been on medications for severe depression since last spring, and has been on a medical leave. So he knows the value of psych meds and what they do.

Well, if you get on an 100% organic kosher diet and drink the cleanest water, then you will not need any meds to help you to get out of the bed anymore. What God has created, it is good enough.


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[4enlightment]

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.

Matthew 9:28 When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” “Yes, Lord,” they replied.






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